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Hayfa
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Why do you care what Muslims believe or do not believe? it is SO odd...
maybe you are feeling a bit threatened... hmmm.. Do you go onto Jewish web sites and argue there too? What about Buddhist websites?? just curious... lol |
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Shasta'sAunt
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"Unfortunately, because the Quran contradicts the Bible, the Bible must be "corrupt." WOW! Putting the 'cart' before the 'horse' Real science! Are you a true Muslim or a Muhammadan? Yeah Natassia, answer the man/woman. Are you a true Muslim or a Mohammedan?
With fellow Christian brain-trusts like this on the forum we'll be seeing mass conversions to Christianity in record time....
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Mansoor_ali
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"Unfortunately, because the Quran contradicts the Bible, the Bible must be "corrupt."
Yes the Bible is corrupt.Even the Biblical scholar Dr.Bart Ehrman admits it.
Recommended Link:
Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why By Dr.Bart Ehrman
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_ALI_
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Long story short Ali; was the Bible corrupt when Muhammad received the 'revelation of the Torah, Psalms and Gospel?' Just answer the question....
In short, yes. Because as the Quran says 002.079 فَوَيْلٌ لِلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَذَا مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلا فَوَيْلٌ لَهُمْ مِمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَهُمْ مِمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ 002.079 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. Al-Qur'an, 002.079 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])
Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.910
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002.075 أَفَتَطْمَعُونَ أَنْ يُؤْمِنُوا لَكُمْ وَقَدْ كَانَ فَرِيقٌ مِنْهُمْ يَسْمَعُونَ كَلامَ اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُحَرِّفُونَهُ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا عَقَلُوهُ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ
002.075 Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it. Al-Qur'an, 002.075 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])
Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.910
BTW; Ibn Ishaq who wrote the earliest biography (Sirat) of Muhammad. He clearly indentifies the Gospel mentioned in the Qur'an as what Christians call the New Testament. Yeah, I read what you quoted. It is REALLY out of context, but I got the general idea.
Among the things which have reached me about what Jesus the Son of Mary stated in the Gospel which he received from God for the followers of the Gospel, in applying a term to describe the apostle of God, is the following.
Ibn Ishaq is trying to quote how Jesus described prophet Muhammad and he says here that my quotes have been extracted from the gospel of John.
It is extracted from what John the Apostle set down for them when he wrote the Gospel for them from the Testament of Jesus Son of Mary (Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah", translated as "The Life of Muhammad", by A. Guillaume, Karachi: Oxford, 1998, pp. 103-104, bold added.)
Now if Ibn Ishaq is quoting from the gospel of John (he probably quoted John 14:16, 15:26, 16:7 which foretell prophet Muhammad) that does not mean that Bible is not corrupt. When Muslim say that Bible is corrupt, we don't mean that each and every word has been changed completely. We say that many passages of the Bible are unauthentic though not all. So how do we differentiate between those passages. We group the Bible into 3 parts. So what Ibn Ishaq probably quoted was in accordance with Islam since it predicted prophet Muhammad.
All you new 19th century followers are just changing what was previously said centuries ago to fit your own belief belief, going against your own holy book and your own prophet and your own god. On the contrary, we will go against Quran if we start believing that prophet lot committed incest i.e Bible is authentic.Peace
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Mansoor_ali
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Only 1 verse of Quran is enough to prove that Bible is corrupt.
004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Here is another explicit verse speaking of Bible corruption, the Quran states that if anyone believes that Jesus died and was crucified they then follow nothing but CONJECTURE which is corruption. Which book today tells us that Jesus died and was crucified? The Bible, so hence the Quran here does call the Bible corrupt. So it can't get anymore clear than that.
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Meditations
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If your statement is true , this would mean that these manuscripts were written around the years 115 - 215 Where are these manuscripts , which museums , which language is it written in , and what it's percentage compared with the current bible ?
Which language were these ancients mauscripts written in , and which 'modern' bible are you comparing it with ? This foundation is trying to translate the bible from aramic straight to english , http://www.noohra.com/ They found numerous differences between the 'modern' king james version and their translation examples of the differences : Job 12:6
Job 31:10
Psalm 7:11
Psalm 23:2
Psalm 23:6
Psalm 46:10
Isaiah 43:28
Jeremiah 4:10
Matthew 5:3
Matthew 6:34
John 1:14
2 Timothy 3:16
2 Peter 1:21
1 Corinthians 7:18
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Akhe Abdullah
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It is different
Edited by Akhe Abdullah - 02 September 2009 at 5:42am |
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honeto
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Yes,
I agree brother AKA. its very different in fact. I particularly like to mention this one:
John 1:14
Edited by honeto - 01 September 2009 at 3:57pm |
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