Islam Without Muslims; Muslims Without Islam
"What happens if a woman goes to court here [Saudi Arabia]?" asked my father.
"What do you mean?" I counter-questioned.
"What I mean is that if a woman goes to court is she treated as an individual or are her rights based on her gender?"
"Depends on the case, I guess," I said.
"Come on," he interjected sarcastically. "Don't start telling me that women are treated in the manner that has been commanded by God. According to His Law they should be treated as equals. You know that that's not the case here."
"You just have to look around at the horrific miscarriages of justice to know that that's definitely not the case," he emphasized. "My point is that as much as we try to find fault with the West, one thing is for sure: I would feel far more secure with their system of justice if I were a woman than I would with the one we have here."
"Yes, in a way you're right," I began, "but Islam did give women rights over 1,400 years ago that the so-called civilized world has only started to recognize recently."
"You're intelligent enough to know that having rights and not being entitled to them is just as good as not having them at all. In the Qur'an, when a man decides to divorce his wife, God Orders him to leave his wife on an equitable basis and is required to support her. Am I right?" he asked, quoting the verse and chapter.
"Of course," I agreed.
"So if we are really honest with ourselves, does the law here enforce that or even recognize it in part?"
"Not that I know of," I admitted.
"Alright. This means that a woman can quite literally be booted out of her house on to the street with nowhere to go; and if she tries to extract any right or entitlement from her husband, will the court support her in this? Have you ever heard of a Saudi man who is scared of the consequences of not paying his wife alimony or stealing her dowry because he might be taken to court?"
"No," I conceded thinking of all the women I knew who had had this scenario forced upon them without any hope of recourse.
"Exactly," he said, having won the argument. "It's disgusting to think that the courts can overlook the word of God when it comes to preserving and upholding the whole concept of male domination. Judges relish sentences that chastise women for petty matters. You see the way the outwardly pious love to stop women in the street to point out strands of hair that may have escaped their veils or question the identity of the men around them; but when it comes to guaranteeing them their God-given rights they miraculously disappear!"
"Yes," I said, reflecting upon what he said. "You're right."
"A woman cannot even gain custody of her children in a court of law. What sort of a mandate gives the automatic guardianship of little girls over to the hands of a father and stepmother even when a mother is perfectly capable of looking after them? You of all people should know what that feels like. What's more, the status and importance of a mother in Islam is such that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself said that paradise lies beneath the feet of one's mother and that a mother's value is three times greater than that of any other individual."
"Yes," I agreed.
It was this very conversation that played in my head when I read two articles printed side by side in the paper this week. One of them highlighted the fact that there are many single mothers and divorcees in society who are denied welfare due to trivial bureaucratic matters and thus forced to live below the poverty line. Imagine that. In Saudi Arabia, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, women are reduced to begging on the streets because the law does not recognize their needs. What kind of an interpretation of Islam is that when our faith is based on a spirit of egalitarianism? When verses upon verses of the Qur'an command us to look after the wretched of our society?
As if that was not bad enough, the adjacent piece highlighted the obstacles that Saudi women married to foreigners have to endure. Whereas a Saudi man may obtain citizenship for his wife and his children, a Saudi woman is not entitled to the same privilege if she marries a non-Saudi. Upon what spurious logic this decision is based upon I do not profess to know, but what I do know for sure is that it has nothing to do with religion.
The great Islamic scholar of the 19th century, Muhammad Abdo wrote that when he visited the West he found Islam but no Muslims and upon his return to the Arab world he countenanced many Muslims but no Islam.
I am beginning to see his point.
Lubna Hussain is a Saudi writer based in Riyadh.
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Most of us Muslims around the world do not really consider Saudi Arabia the Seat/Beacon of Islam anyway.
I am a Muslim living in Australia. I see this hypocrisy on daily basis. They take the parts of Islam that suits them and part of their culture and brand it as Islam. The rest don't exist. Once you add or subtract anything to/from Islam, it isn't Islam anymore. Thats why there is so much misconception about this beautiful religion. They think have fooled everyone. only if they knew, they are just fooling themselves. May Allah guide us all.
Jazakallah Khair
There are many such issues in Saudi.
Afreen Inamdar
Please continue to agitate this situation and any other that does not adhere to the Truth of the Qur'aan and the correct Sunnah of the Prophet-saws.
Your Brothe,
Kamara AbdilHaqq Muhammad
We are Muslims but in most cases our selfish interests never allows us to be just enough.Women deserve more thatn we are giving them. Let's not reduce ourselves to the same level with western male cheuvinists.
I think this is a matter that should be taken up at the OIC (organization of Islamic countries)sessions.
Your comments about the conditions of woman in islamic world particularly in Contry like Saudi Arabia which is refered as model for islamic world,seems very strange.It really hearted me personally as women that such worst things are being done with the women evenafter islamic rules always protect women in every manner.hope your article will bring some difference in thier idealogies,Best of Luck for your Future.
Khuda Hafiz
Yours reader
Nusrat
The author is right. There is no Islamic country, because people who think that they have power, behave abusively and they become muslims in name intent on distorting our deen.
Assalaamualaikum
I have been staying in the arab world for the last 5 odd years. the points that you have raised are pertinent, but maybe they are being generalised on a wholesale basis..but we must not therefore remain complacent, because this disease which seems to be creeping into the whole of humanity i.e.of inequality..the sense of one-man-upship over the others be it on the basis of gender,race,colour or nationality appears to be drowning the Muslim Ummah too.
The most basic reason behind it as I see it, is that Muslims as a whole have ABJECTLY REJECTED THE Qur'an...rejection does not mean that we do not say that it is a word of Allah but we have rejected its spirit..We read it just for the heck of reading it ..without imbibing its essence and spirit.
Secondly the mistake lies in the upbringing of our children by their parents..both mothers & fathers...Mothers leave it to their maid-servants to take care of the kids while they are busy either ..sleeping or chatting with their sisters,mothers,friends,shopping,etc. While fathers leave it upon their wives to raise them without having the slightest idea as to what is the child learning ..whether from their schools or from his peers..This has inturn led to the creation of a generation which is if not all...mostly irresponsible,illmannered,lazy,unreligious&steeped in a sense of superiority complex[bear it in mind this is about those who are not yet exposed to the vagaries of life in the outside world].
May Allah bring all of us who are misguided to come back to the right path of the Prophet and his rightly guided companions.And may he guide all Muslim parents to protect their kith&kin from the worst abode after death ie. hellfire.Ameen.
Whatever I might have said wrongly is from me and the Shaytan and whatever good comes is from Allah alone.
Is it not the right time that we ponder as to why this is happening?
We are accustomed to tell the world about the right guaranteed to women under Shariah but forget that most of them are being violated with impunity even by those people and governments who claim to be torch bearers of Islam.
Now how Muslims around the world can be silent when their Caliphate/Khilafah was Abolished and The Caliphate was divided into so many nation state and most Cases with one language and one religion violating the following verses of The Holy Quran:
21: 92 Verily, this Brotherhood Of yours is a single Brotherhood (Ummah),
21: 92 And I am your Lord And Cherisher: therefore Serve Me (and no
21: 92 other).
23: 52 and verily this Brotherhood Of yours is a single Brotherhood
23: 52 And I am your Lord And Cherisher: therefore Fear Me (and no other).
As explained by The Presidency of Islamic Researches, IFTA, King Fahd Holy Qur-an Printing Complex, which are: 2910 pg. 988 "The people who began to Trade on the names of the prophets cut off that unity and made sects; and Each sect rejoices in its own narrow doctrine, instead of taking the Universal teaching of Unity from Allah. But this sectarian confusion is of Man's making. It will last for a time, but the rays of Truth and Unity will Finally dissipate it."
49: 10 The Believers are but A single Brotherhood: So make peace and
49: 10 Reconciliation between your Two (contending) brothers; And fear
49: 10 Allah, that ye May receive Mercy.
Here also the above book mentioned that: The enforcement of the Muslim Brotherhood is the greatest social ideal of Islam. On it was based the Prophet's Sermon at his last pilgrimage, and Islam cannot be completely Realized until this ideal is achieved. (pg. 1591 note 4928.
If Muslims do not accept Khilfaha let them argue on useless topic night after night and they will do same if Imam Mehdi (A.S.) appears any moment i.e. many of them will try to fight against him.
Muslims are like the following story. Tree and branches of the tree is the Khilafah and branch is the present illegal clients States and Muslims are falling every day ever
I have come to realize that there is no such thing as an Islamic country, socity, or city any more. Just those few muslims who strive to be mu'min. The world has adopted the way of the US view as to be a separation of church (God) and state. Yet all the politions claim to know God
All this is sheer ignorance of Islam and syariah, it usually happens with born Muslims.,
Thank you.
to honour the tenets of Islam.
God Bless You
If you truly wish to know the answer to your question then look no further than your own heart. The society comprises of people like you and me. Read the Quran and let your heart be the judge of your own conduct. Forget about others. It is us who need to change. Each shall carry their own burden. Read the Quran with an open heart and let Allah be your guide if you truly believe that HE is present for HE says remember me and I remember you. Put your trust in others and you shall reap the rewards. Put your trust in Allah and you shall reap the rewards. We often say we worship Allah but every second we are busy loving this life, planning and more concerned with events and people than trust in the Lord for HE is the ONE and only ONE who fashions ALL things. Tawakkal on Allah for there is none other to trust.
yahya kalimbo
"But a woman without Islam has no right in this world of today"
What are you on about. This world is the product of Allah. the good and the bad. Do not pass judgement on others for you shall be judged too. Instead of saying Islam was there before anything, say God was there before anything. If you prefer say Allah or any other beautiful names that HE has given himself. Keep Islam in your heart for that is where it belongs. Let your conduct invite others in the way of Allah otherwise people will not be attracted into this way by such forceful examples. Be gentle with your words for our beloved was a gentle man.
Talking about law ? Saudi Arabia is the worst in my view doing blunders in the name of islamic sharia law to force the hypo standards, where as the west is known for its evil doers. Government of Saudi Arabia doesn't seem to care about its spoiling society, its cultureless, mannerless and unruly younger generation, mostly illiterate rich driving luxary cars. I spent 5 years in Saudi Arabia and worked with many saudi women and came to know much about their miserable conditions. Very unfortunate to say but it is true that muslim world lacks serious thinkers and revolutionary leaders. "The Muslim kingdom is ruled by western policies" ?
I support you 100% and what hypocrisy we see in this so called Islamic country where women are treated just like commodities and have no values but just a baby making machine and no equal rights and how true that the laws and treatment of women in the no Muslim society in West is typical of Islamic principles and yet in Saudi Arabia it is the opposite and you find that the social security system in the western countries is one of those principles of the Bayt el maal whereby the less fortunate are taken care of and even animals are treated with love.It is high time that the Saudis change their attitude and issue citizenship to those born of foreign fathers and those born there as well irrespective of their identities.I find that even Saudis when they come to the western countries they become payboys and when in Saudia they where disdasha and become saints again.What a shame.
There are millions of wise interpreters in islam who are in a position to analyze and comment on it. will you please come up?
Did the prophet (saw) not say, "there is no superiority of an arab over a non arab..."
Walking around makkah and madinatun nabi, I questioned the logic and hikma behind the black burka and niqab cloud women. I was suffocating in the heat with hot pants and t-shirts, I could only but wonder, is this religion of islam capable of such oppression???? Saudi is not implementing shariah, it is cherry picking.
As well as oppression of women, look at the hudood that they practice. Implemented only on the poor. The rich get off no matter what crime they commit. The only reason Saudi is revered is because of the 2 haram, discounting that fact, would you consider spending a single second of your time in Saudi?? I know I would not!
Allah has given Saudi the bounty of economical mean which they should use to live in such a way to enforce a real Sharia law, not the one which selectively punishes and oppresses a select group of the society such as women and expatriates while treating the Saudi men differently. Whoever the people in the authority should remember that they might be able to impose what they want in this world but they are surely answerable to Allah for the Fitnah they are creating in this world under their authority. If the Muslims just remember one thing that they are answerable to Allah and the Hour is coming very soon, then we will see the model and glorious muslim we long for.
At a time where some Muslim men in the west are striving to marry a Muslim woman. Saudi women are not allowed to marry even non saudi muslims.
What a system.
This is an amazing article and exactly contains some of my thoughts as I read the Qu'ran today and reflected on how Allah's word is not carried out in practice so very often. The insight of the Scholar is very profound.
Leave the matter with Allah for final decision.
Every individual will be responsible for his action, and will receive accordingly
I do agree with the writer and her father's point. And unfortunately, in our so called Islamic society, most of people don't understand Islam or apply it in their regular life..!!
2:143 Thus, have We made of you a people justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations. (this aya goes on to say that none other than God and His messenger shall be witnesses over us.)
Thus each one of us are trustees of this message and God is our witness. Can we afford to forget this in our daily encounters with others and with our own selves?
Yet Muslims have lost the path to be a model for the whole world. I say this with a the greatest of compassion since what I see in the Muslims world truly does not fit anywhere within those Quranic verses. In Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi, Morroco and other Muslims countries, there is a wanton killing of each other and of the innocent and many would blame the West/USA and to be sure they bear a lotof blame BUT it takes two to tango as they say. it is time to behave with dignity towards all life and rely (tawakkal) on Allah for He is The Best of Protectors. Thus when we leave this world we can be rpoud to meet our maker that we have tried to leave this place a better place than the mayhem which we found it to be. Peace comes from the heart first then it manifests itself within our surrounding. Non encounter can be based on fear and suspicion. Only a non-believer makes fear the subject of their life. A believer fear only God and none other whilst s/he tries to porpagate peace.
This is truly the era of peace and inclusion. It is time we declared the dignity of Adam p.b.u.h. Let us glorify God by first respecting each other, as God commanded ALL creation to bow down to Adam p.b.u.h. and we are ALL his children and decendants.
Shaheed Ali
journalist
[email protected] (NY,USA)
take the good and evil from the west v/s
take the good and evil from east(islam)then
give your verdict and always fear allah!
They do corruption, they don't keep their words of others, they don't dicipline, very different from what Rasulullah taught.
But here in Japan, I can be a better moslem.
UK authorities had always an excuse to give saying,'you know what it is like in Saudi'!
I am a practicing muslim women who had to encounter a man like this. The desperation I had to face was where to look for justice.Even in UK the only people who felt for me where non muslims and most of the muslims living in UK just
shrugged there shoulders saying the father has the right. I love my religion and the lofty justice it stands for. Where shall I go to finf it? Since past four years I just wish to hear my childs voice or see a glimpse of his face or even hear about him.Oh! for the muslims.Muslim Mother
request:I would like to get in touch with the author.
The author quotes Muhammad Abdo, who wrote what he did and truthfully so.
Bernard Shaw said he has found Islam to be the best religion and Muslims to be the worst people. We quote him all the time. My confusion is, if Bernard Shaw really thought Islam was the best religion then why did he not accept Islam and followed it in its true spirit and let the Muslims rot in hell? I don't know why people use Islam and its rules selectively only for their own benefit.
The author quotes:
"A woman cannot even gain custody of her children in a court of law. What sort of a mandate gives the automatic guardianship of little girls over to the hands of a father and stepmother even when a mother is perfectly capable of looking after them? You of all people should know what that feels like. What's more, the status and importance of a mother in Islam is such that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself said that paradise lies beneath the feet of one's mother and that a mother's value is three times greater than that of any other individual."
My question to the author is whether she has a doubt if such a mandate is in fact directed by Allah SWT or is she challenging its validity knowing that it is from Allah?
If you dare quote Prophet Muhammad (SAW), be prepared to follow his Sunnah in its entirety and not selectively. I have noticed Islam and its laws being used so many times to bring Islamic extremists back to moderation and towards the straight path but I don't see the same individuals using rules of Islam against people following the West and promoting the so-called "Enlightened Moderation" and in the guise of which fulfilling the hidden agenda of the West to lure people away from Islam.
The author quotes Muhammad Abdo, who wrote what he did and truthfully so.
Bernard Shaw said he has found Islam to be the best religion and Muslims to be the worst people. We quote him all the time. My confusion is, if Bernard Shaw really thought Islam was the best religion then why did he not accept Islam and followed it in its true spirit and let the Muslims rot in hell? I don't know why people use Islam and its rules selectively only for their own benefit.
The author quotes:
"A woman cannot even gain custody of her children in a court of law. What sort of a mandate gives the automatic guardianship of little girls over to the hands of a father and stepmother even when a mother is perfectly capable of looking after them? You of all people should know what that feels like. What's more, the status and importance of a mother in Islam is such that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself said that paradise lies beneath the feet of one's mother and that a mother's value is three times greater than that of any other individual."
My question to the author is whether she has a doubt if such a mandate is in fact directed by Allah SWT or is she challenging its validity knowing that it is from Allah?
If you dare quote Prophet Muhammad (SAW), be prepared to follow his Sunnah in its entirety and not selectively. I have noticed Islam and its laws being used so many times to bring Islamic extremists back to moderation and towards the straight path but I don't see the same individuals using rules of Islam against people following the West and promoting the so-called "Enlightened Moderation" and in the guise of which fulfilling the hidden agenda of the West to lure people away from Islam.
We look at the weakness of others and not ourselves. We must educate ourselves first and then we can fight for our rights - legal and religious.
Next our brothers must be educated by understanding the Quran and Sunnah. I have noticed that even in Canada, women are striving to learn, understand but men hardly seem to be bothered with this education.
Thank you for your article. Hope more Saudi and other Muslim countries sisters would wake up to this serious matter that affects us so much.
Greetings Sister:
I respectfully disagree: There is no justice or respect for women and children in BOTH the East and West. One need only look at all the awarded child support in the West that is never collected; all the divorce women living in conditions that were unimagined by them before their divorces while their ex-husbands standard of living increases to know that the sister disadvantaged by the Royal Court has in every major American city. Please consider the condition of all women, those in the supposed modern West and the traditional East and you will see much more similiarity than difference if you care to look. Oh how I pray for the day when Islam as revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)returns to the Muslims.
Jazallah kharami,
Wanda Page
who is Mohamad abdo? whos this great scholar that we never heard of? :).
I'm not very informed about saudia but I think the saudis does not know exactly what is inside the west to claim Islam is in the west. don't worry? I know abdo is egyptian that you name great scholar!! but no one heard of him in the real world of Islamic scholarship.
what a saudi know in the west? airplane, 5 stars hotel, nice cars, nice food and all paid for, by the money of the oil. when a so called scholar visit the west, most of the time he is invited by Islamic center who pays everything for him.
you never hear a real description from the moslems who came and been broke in the west. those who lived seeking job while the western law forbidden to them to have one! those who see the 2 faces that the west gives you, that depends on how much money do you have or how much you can make!
you can never know the west if you rely on those who visited the west without relying on themselves to survive in it. even a Doctor like me can not be a norm to describe the west, because we do not suffer like those who have no diploma who come here.
unfortunatly, anyone from the west can visit arab land, get visa easy, get job easy, profit from the arabs hospitality for free and have the media backing him worldwide for any tiny problem that he may have.
the truth hurts but people love to listen to the fake reality and this myth of the VALUE OF THE WEST,
Allah ghalib