Rift between ME & US growing

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The economic rift that opened between the Middle East and the United States after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks has widened into a chasm. While the United States was once the first stop for goods and services, Middle Easterners are turning to what many see as more Arab-friendly environments in Europe and Asia.

Attention in recent months has focused on Arab investment, after security concerns derailed the acquisition of U.S. port operations by an Arab company, Dubai Ports World. But a decline in Middle Eastern spending has also hit service sectors including tourism, education and health care, triggering business-strategy shifts in such places as Cleveland and Rochester, Minn.

A hallmark of past oil booms was that money America spent on oil and gas got cycled back into the U.S. economy as investment and spending on U.S. goods and services.

Middle Eastern investors and consumers aren't completely ignoring the United States this time: They are major buyers of U.S. government bonds and have purchased U.S. hotels, such as New York's Essex House, and real estate in the South.

But America's allure appears to be waning, and travel to the United States from the Mideast has dropped. U.S. visits by Saudi Arabians, for example, fell to 18,573 in 2004, the last year for which statistics are available, from 72,891 in 1999, U.S. Commerce Department figures show. That represents an especially pronounced drop in tourist dollars because Saudi visitors spend three times more per person than any other group of U.S. tourists: $9,368 per trip, according to the Commerce Department.

Visa hassles have hurt export businesses, too, Arabs and Americans say, by placing a wall between U.S. companies and prospective clients who may turn to countries where travel is easier.

Arab tourists, deterred in part by U.S. visa hassles, are flocking to other burgeoning destinations close to home, such as Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, which offers resort hotels, theme parks and shopping malls patterned on U.S.-style attractions.

Jay Rasulo, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, has been outspoken about how the visa process deters tourists. Rasulo told a recent travel-industry gathering that the U.S. share of international travel has dropped by "about $20 billion a year" since 2000, to its all-time low.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security said it does its best to process visas quickly. "We definitely want to make it easier for those who are trusted to enter the U.S. to come in the time they want," said department spokeswoman Joanna Gonzalez. "But if decreasing wait time means softening security, then [the wait time] is not our problem," she said.

In the health-care industry, the number of Arab patients at high-end U.S. medical centers such as the Cleveland Clinic and the Mayo Clinic fell immediately after Sept. 11, by 20 percent to 50 percent, according to industry officials.

The fallout hit more than the clinics. High-profile Arab patients often came to the United States for lengthy treatments accompanied by large families and staffs.

When former UAE president Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan al-Nahyan traveled to Cleveland in 2000 for a kidney transplant, he and his entourage of hundreds stayed for four months. All needed to be fed, transported and housed.

The Mayo Clinic in Rochester, where King Hussein of Jordan received treatment in the late 1990s, has worked hard to draw patients, flying doctors to the Mideast after Sept. 11. Recently it opened a cardiovascular clinic in Dubai, which coordinates travel to the United States for further treatment, if necessary.

As for education, U.S. colleges and universities, once highly desirable destinations for wealthy Arabs, have seen a steep drop in Middle Eastern students, losing as much as $43 million a year.

The steepest decline comes consistently from Saudi Arabia, which sent 14 percent fewer students to the United States last year, according to the Institute of International Education. Enrollment by students from Muslim nations in general has fallen steeply, evidence that Middle Easterners aren't alone in finding America a more forbidding destination since Sept. 11.

Robert M. Gates, a former director of the CIA who is president of Texas A&M University, has been a forceful voice for improving the visa process. Gates's worry extends beyond monetary losses.

"In the last half-century, allowing students from other countries to study here has been the most positive thing America has done to win friends from around the world," he said.

But the U.S. consulate in Jiddah has been closed since November due to security concerns; another consulate in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, hasn't been open since 1999. This has meant applicants have to travel long distances to Riyadh, where the workload has kept applicants waiting up to several months for appointments.

Even among students who go to the United States, the experience is often mixed these days. Saeed Abdullah, a PhD student from the United Arab Emirates who is studying at Texas A&M, said that before Sept. 11, his friends used to prolong their studies -- taking seven years to complete four-year degrees. "America was about the social life as well," he said. Now they often try to squeeze the four years into three. "Now we come for a mission -- to work as hard as we can to get our degrees as fast as we can and then leave."

Students point to new options. In Qatar, for example, the state-supported Qatar Foundation has provided funds to bring U.S. universities -- including Texas A&M, Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service and Cornell University's medical school -- to its capital, Doha. And Saudi Arabia's minister of higher education recently unveiled a "look East" strategy for education. An increasing number of students, he said, will be sent to China, India, Malaysia, Singapore and South Korea.


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Older Comments:
HUDD FROM CANADA said:
Spelling mistakes? This is a fast informal web sort of communications. I do not spell-check it for you or anybody. If you are an English language professor and mispellings cause an eye-sore for you, I'm sorry you can't fail me neither diagnose me as insane on the fact. On my comments,yes, you could, if you find them incoherent, since the possibility of me being drunk or high is unexistent, it could be that dementia kicked in. You are entitled to your opinion in our free world.

Don't tell me what my comments are,OK? I tolerate white people as they tolerate me and my Muslim brethren. When they attack me or any of my brethren I kick,unless the attack is well founded and legitimate. Just listen to yourself:"And your comments to Kumar are not against him but Indians in general (Hudd; 'I would say, go back to India and bomb your own people and leave Canada alone')." So according to you it means that Kumar should go to India and bomb everybody, Hindus,Jains,Sikhs,Muslims,Christians,Buddhists, Jews,etc. So, I don't care about Muslims in the least? No,Mr,what I meant was exactly what I said,"his people". People like him, in that state of moral and ethical corruption, but like the Editors warned us, let's stick to the topic,OK?

One more clarification. Read my comment again and see what I said about shariah and tell me did I single out any country of having it? Sharia Allah is an ideological concept from which governments in the past and present inspired themselves more or less acurately. Shariah Allah exists only in the Quran.It needs yet to be properly extracted.Your claim that the laws(called cosmetically sharia)in the ME are designed and purposely targeting the enslavement of women is hilarious.The reason for they appearing like that to the frivolous West is way different than enslavement of women. I'm afraid I could post comments the length of the Encyclopaedia Britanica and you still would be mentally challenged on the subject. Sorry,I can't help! Peace out.
2006-05-07

D. THOMAS said:
To Hudd. Questioning my cerebral capacity, while at the same time committing spelling mistakes is hysterical. (i.e. charicature, imoral, distinc, hypocrit and uninhabitted)

I attack your belies, while you have to attack me personally is funny because you have no other defense. Your comments about white people, and Anglo-Saxons or as you like to call them WASPs have been extremely derogatory. And your comments to Kumar are not against him but Indians in general (Hudd; 'I would say, go back to India and bomb your own people and leave Canada alone').

Your statement; 'Shariah is God's Constitution and therefore not subject to scrutiny or judgement by His creation.' Is the best joke I've heard in a long time. First of all Shariah has been implemented in many places in the Muslim world, and no two are the same. So which version is right? Because all the others must be wrong! Secondly we all know that Shariah doesn't in anyway protect the rights of people. It is system of laws that subjugate women to a role inferior to men.

If you think Shariah law is perfect you should go to a country that has it, because I think Shariah is nothing more then man made laws that have came out of the Arabian desert, 1400 years ago and should stay there. Actually the world would be better if it disappeared from the face of the earth.

Sorry but I have to add another coment to the following comment by Hudd; 'According to Human Rights every individual regardless of his/her ethnicity/religion/political belief/etc has the fundamental right to live in any place and country as his right as a human being born on planet earth'.

So if I listen to you (HUDD) I should be able to practice the religion I want, even convert from Islam to another religion, or become atheist, open a church in Saudi Arabia, and even dress the way I want! Gee you are funny. Just don't take yourself to seriously ok.
2006-05-03

HUDD FROM CANADA said:
Thomas the Doubtful! .... It is with regret that I must acknowledge that a space that could have been occupied by a valuable human being is wasted on a charicature like yourself.

Let me point 3 things to you and let me stress on the importance that you should try to excerpt as much cerebral activity as biologically you are intitled to.

1) Comparing Human Rights Charter of the USA Constitution or any Constitution to Sharia Allah is imbecilic. First, The HR and the Constitution are designed to uphold the liberties of the decadent, imoral and ethically challenged individual in a Western decaying society. Shariah is God's Constitution and therefore not subject to scrutiny or judgement by His creation. That happens only in Judaism when man questions God. The world is over 6 billion now? Only a fraction of those questions God's laws because they are the descendants of Gomorrah and Sodomah. God exterminated those two habitations because they were inhabitted by inferior human beings. Every human not subjected to the laws of God is an inferior being. A person can be free only on the condition that he lives with himself in total seclusion, say an uninhabitted island. Otherwise he/she has to consider his/her partner or neighbour and thus his liberty is restricted by the demands of the other person. In other words the Western laws support Western governments(not people), there is no justice system in the West only Legal System. Now, whatever puppet "Muslim" countries claim to be Shariah is in fact Roman and British law with religious acuity imparting from Islamic practices or malpractices of the past.Shariah Allah is for mankind and addressed to mankind. Not simply to the followers of Muhammad,pbuh. What the Egyptians said is irrelevant,since they are neither Islamic nor righteous.I could call Dick Cheney an ardent Christian and he could present himself as such,still that wouldn't mean that he was.
2006-05-02

H.A. FROM YATHRIB said:
Way to go Mr. Hudd. You have shot the arrow right in the heart of Kumar, who is a LOST&CONFUSED Indian living in the USA.

And Mr. Thomas should take a hike who is a typical whiteman who should be jail for committing crimes all over the world and still committing crimes. D. Thomas a typical slave of the zionist. ..
2006-05-02

N AMEEN FROM USA said:
To Mr. Kumar.

To begin with, I agree with you:
"It really does not matter if the Middle Eastern Arabs decide not to come to USA for education, tourism Medical treatment and investment."

Although it is not the point of the article, I will also agree with you that the Chinese and Indians in the US (and elsewhere) have made great strides in education an learning.

But to imply that Muslims are backward because of their religion is rather myopic, don't you think. When Islam was at its height, Muslims did practice some rather nifty science!

"Muslims are more concerned with religion"

What is wrong with the practice of religion? Yes I agree science and maths are important, but I would say, so is religion and morality. Actually, here at Yale, some of the brightest students are the most religious. Some of them are Hindus, some Muslims, some Jews, some Christians.

Mr Kumar, a few words of advice. Nothing in this world is so black and white as it seems. As you grow as a human being, try to consider the points and views of the "other." A feeling of hubris and superiority is a very dangerous concept - nations have been destroyed because of it.

About the French girl who shaved her head. You know it takes a lot of courage to stand up for what you believe in. It is so easy to blend in. Dr. Nurid Peled, an Israeli doctor whose son was killed by a suicide bomber gave a speech about the Israeli oppression on palestenian women. Now that is courage - to stand up for human dignity. Without empathy and respect, even with all the math and science, human beings will still be no better than animals.

Good day to you sir.
2006-04-27

NASIR A FROM US said:
US made a war on Islam and the Middle Est people
did cut back on US services and products.
US has damaged it economic and all because of Israeli. US was looking to pin the blame of falling economic and better realtionship with Israeli.
2006-04-25

D. THOMAS said:
Hudd you are certainly a funny guy. In the United Nations declaration of Human rights all are equal. This is not the case of the Muslim declartion of Human rights It is severly limited due to the fact that it has to respect Shari'ah law, which we all know is discrimitory against woman other religions including atheists such as myself. It also doesn't respect people with same sex preferences and the list goes on and on. There are different implimentations of Shari'ah in the Muslim world and they all fall way way short of respecting human rights.

Here is an extract from Article 24 and 25.
=============================================
The Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam

Adopted and Issued at the Nineteenth Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers in Cairo
on 5 August 1990.

Article 24
All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari'ah.

Article 25
The Islamic Shari'ah is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification to any of the articles of this Declaration.

Cairo, 14 Muharram 1411H
5 August 1990
==============================================

Hudd to tell Kumar to bomb people in his own country is incitement to violence.

Telling Kumar to leave the West is highly hyprocrital for a person such as yourself, where there are many people who would probably suggest the same to you. From your comments we can see that you don't only hate White people but also Indians. Thats starting to add up to be alot of people.

By the way the main writer of the UN declaration of Human rights was Canadian.
2006-04-25

KHAN FROM US said:
One should not try to clarify other. There are some people who are just ignorant, just watch & listen to media (TV & radio especially),play games, see movies, drink and do not want to use their brains. Human being is the most beautiful & intelligent thing created by GOD, but we do not use it wisely.

These people write or do some things to irritate us,distract us so that we loose our self control & cannot express the facts or our views.That is what going on today.We have to remain focussed and give our message that our Religion & Prophets are for peace.

There are many things go on with other people / religions but they do not come in news.Why? The media is a big thing that can change the minds of the people. Unless you do not have your own media that is controlled by you, forget about it.

Just ignore them as we know when we go closer to dirty things/smokers/drunkards we get that smell in our clothes or Although we hate but we do not throw stone on wet mud /shit /garbage? even though that is dirty stuff. we avoid the routes ,if there is satan / bad things happen there.

Please,I am not going address anybody if he or she has a comment about my comment.GOD bless the world & bring peace to everyone.( It is the same one GOD who was worshipped by all prophets ADAM to MUHAMMAD - peace be upon them).
2006-04-25

H.A. FROM YATHRIB said:
Way to go Kafir! You are a genius! What an observation! The effects of the "Civilized fluid" (aka booze) is very transparent (as usual).


Any one would like to volunteer to "fly" plane thru Kafir's comment?
2006-04-25

NOOR (FIRE) FROM USA said:
With all due respect Mr. M. Kumar, I don't think you were able to comprehend the message of this particular article. I am going to keep this very simple for you, so your little brain can grasp atleast my comment. I think you are very ignorent because of what you wrote and you have no idea what you are talking about. I also think you should find the real reason why US wants to wage a new war with Iran. You should also learn some history, becuase you are very ignorent of history. I live in the States, and I know better than you what is going on here. But, the real reason I am commenting is to know, do you have ANY PROOF that it was these bunch of Arabs actually took down twin-towers?( I got news for you it was the CIA) You are upholding the status of Indian and Chinese students, but, I think you should learn some science and math yourself, such as physics, chemistry and calculus and we will talk about twin-towers! I also sensed the innuendo that you dislike Muslims. I am feeling bad because I bashed you here, forgive me, won't you? But next time you write something I think you should know the facts as the author of the article knows. To reiterate, I think you are very ignorent and most here will agree with me. You disgusts me with your ignorence. Next time before you post such ignorent comments, think (I hope you can), will you? Because someone like me, Don't like insults! and you insulted many of us.

I do have one good news for you, ignorence is curable! stupidity isn't!

I am going to throw up now!
2006-04-24

ZAKI HASSAN FROM SAUDI ARABIA said:
I am from India and working in Saudi Arabia, we all are created by same God and this whole universe is created by Almighty, and we all live in different part of world by choice or chance for a very limited time. In Islam, humanity comes first.

It hurts when I see what's going around the world specially the topic we are talking about. People out of ignorance think Islam and Muslims are barbaric. but its not true, max number of Muslims are peace loving and respect other human and their religion too.

Every community have black sheep but its not right to label whole community as bad and create problems for that particular community, its really unfortunate that people like Mr. Kumar thinks that USA or EU is not for Muslims, one should look at the things in broader aspects not with narrow mindedness. Max number of Muslims condemn any such acts which kills innocent people and trust me brother, Quran does not teach to kill innocent people its just few ignorant people who missquote it and use it in wrong way.

Lets all work together to build bridge of peace love and care between all religions, cultures and states lets help each other to develop tolerance. U may find it hard to believe, trust me Saudi Arabia is the best example where people from all over the world of all religion and caste work together and enjoy the social life of Saudi Arabia. Islam always encourage their followers to work in the field of Science, Tech, & Medicine. Many famous scientist in past were Muslims, In the dark ages, it was the Muslims who kept the spirit of science alive. Mr. Kumar and all my other religion brothers and sisters, please read Quran with English meaning and read the life of Prophet Muhammad; all your misconceptions will be cleared. Discrimination on the basis of caste and place is not allowed in Islam, God created different continents and people with different colour and lang to identify each other not to show supremacy and do oppression out of pure Ignorance. Take
2006-04-24

ARSLAN FROM INDIA said:
There are already some hotels catrering arabic cuisine in our city and the attitude of people towards arabs here is good.

In additoin historically India is a place where many arab scholars and even Sahaba (ridhwanullahi taa'la alaihim ajmaeen) have settled down and in previous 2 centuries this connection seems to have been lost. It would be gr8 if arabs come here and maybe good for Islam here as well.
2006-04-24

EARTHRESIDENT FROM US said:
Kaffir - your narrow mindedness and prejudice is apparent in you response. Diversity is essiential to peace and succes of this great country. You should ask the millions of Americans that have lived in the "muslim" lands. You should be aware that the muslim population in the US is about 10 million with families outside of the US. Do you know that all Arabs are not muslims?? That all muslims are not ARABS? Read!!
2006-04-24

RIDZUAN FROM SINGAPORE said:
I've to agree with the article. Ministers from Singapore are having close contacts with the Saudis in particular regarding education and engaging multi million projects with Singapore in Saudi Arabia.
Singapore is proud to be the first country destination for the official visit of the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Prince Sultan Abdul Aziz Al-Saud. Singapore is his first oversea destination since assuming the royal title last year.
2006-04-24

F.SAM FROM USA said:
It is true that the Arabs are avoiding the USA. It is hurting the USA tremendously. After 9-11 there was a time when alot of Arabs withdrew their money and investments from the banks in the USA, that was when President Bush started his campaign for Islam and met with the Saudi royalty at his ranch. Goes to show that the USA knows that the Arabs are important to the USA economy, even if Mr. M. Kumar doesn't.

Mr. M. Kumar does not realize that, just goes to show the ignorance of the Hindu's. Further, the girl in France really does not care how she looks, Mr. M. Kumar should realize and learn from that one girl what priorities in life are. She has hers straight, Allah and then education, and if education was not important to her, just her looks (like it seems it is to Mr. Kumar) then she would have given up school and obtained an education at home. We can all learn from her, about faith giving you strength.

When the cost of obtaining an education gets more expensive and the Indians are unable to afford it, then Mr. M. Kumar will learn how important the Arabs are to the world, or maybe we should start a religious (since according to M. Kumar that is all we muslims can think about) campaign with OPEC to sell oil to countries that are not Islamic friendly at a higher price, India would be included especially after Gujrat.
2006-04-23

HUDD FROM CANADA said:
M Kumar you are not a descendent of the founding fathers of USA. Go home! Back to your .. India. In Canada the greatest act of terrorism was done by Indian terrorists bombing Air India wgere hundreds died as a result. I would say, go back to India and bomb your own people and leave Canada alone. Would it be right though? According to Human Rights every individual regardless of his/her ethnicity/religion/political belief/etc has the fundamental right to live in any place and country as his right as a human being born on planet earth. M Kumar stop your racist comments and islamophobic tendancies. You are not better than a Muslim and a white man will always be ahead of you in the US mentality. You are just a second class citizen in your adoptive country of US,much like the Muslims themselves,only because there is a progrom against them right now doesn't make a favourite of the ruling class of America. You still are an Asian, remember that and the tables might turn against your kind any time.
Peace out!
2006-04-23

JASON FROM VANCOUVER, BC said:
Well now the US can ask their "ally" beggers in Israel to come visit us. Alsom we can ask these beggers in Isreal to invest our tax money too.
2006-04-23

AHMED FROM UK said:
kafir, do you feel the same way about US terrorists invading Iraq?
No? Didnt think so.
2006-04-23

ROMESH CHANDER FROM US said:
To Kaffir:

You state that "less muslims are coming to US">

It may be stated in another way -- US Government policies discourage muslims to come to US and in many cases, outrightly prohibit muslims to come to US.

Regarding ME investment in US, I doubt there was any real investment in the first, even before 9/11. Investment in Stock Market is really not investment at all, unless they bought the original issue; otherwise, they merely exchanged their money with somebody else's money.

In the case of Dubai Ports, there was not supposed to be any investment; only merely exchange of assets -- DP World buying assets owned by a UK company; hence no new investment. Unfortunately, the boys at Wall Street refuse to distinguish between real investment and mere exchange of assets. Only thing US would have go was management of ports by DP World -- I doubt they were any better managers than the ones we have in US -- after all they were going to live by the rules established by US.

Wall Street Journal is quite misleading.
2006-04-23

M.KUMAR FROM USA said:
It really does not matter if the Middle Eastern Arabs decide not
to come to USA for education, tourism (or is it terrorism),
Medical treatment and investment. The US scientific, economic
and technological progress does not depend on Middle East.
I am sure some will be miffed by my sentiments, but facts are
facts. We have more committed Chinese and Indian students
who come to US for graduate education, and actually contribute
to the scientific progress. Muslims on the other hand, are more
concerned with religion, and I do not see any progress in the
thinking. Case in point is this bald girl in France- such accolades
from all Muslims from every country in the world because she
decides to go bald and ugly. Rather than concentrating on how
to evolve socially, spiritually as well as scientifically, the only
thing that matters to most readers of this forum is following the
religious dictates. If Middle-Eastern/ and other Muslims do not
want to come to USA- that is good news. No one in USA has
forgotten the 15 Saudi Arabian and another 4 Middle-eastern
murderers responsible for the mass killings and terror of 9/11.
Just stay in your own countries (Middle East and Islamic
republics) and practice your religion in peace. Leave Europe and
he Americas in peace. Then there will be peace on this planet at
last.
2006-04-23

HUDD FROM CANADA said:
How very typical Kafir and so very nice of you to identify yourself for what you are. Man, I can tell you that the Muslims have an even greater desire for USA, Israel and the whole bloody West to stay out of their lands. As for Muslims not traveling to US is a wonderful thing, especially when this implied lost Middle Eastern business to USA and directed to a true more ethical countries like China, Korea, Malaysia, India,etc. About time that this economic shift takes place. I wonder who the heck would go to USA anyway? Now that even Canadians need a passport to travel to US? Isn't that hilarious. Therefore, Canadians will travel more to Cuba and Carabeans than ever. Canadians traveled to the States especially because it used to be hassle free and informal. Now you can add the Canadians to the Muslims that will rarely visit your arrogantly stupid country.
Peace out!
2006-04-22

MOU'MIN said:
I agree with Kafir. The Muslims should stay in their own countries and/or connect more and more with the people of the East, and let's pray that more and more people, like Kafir, believe that this trend is good for the US. I'd hate to see people try to reverse this trend.
2006-04-22

KAFIR FROM USA! said:
Actually, it is a fact that we have less Muslims coming to the U.S. But this article is mistaken -- this is not a bad thing. This is a wonderful thing. Muslims should stay in their lands. They only create problems here. The last thing we need here in the U.S. is more Muslims; visitors or residents.
2006-04-22