Suleyman�s Gallery
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Forum Name: Islamic Arts & Literatures
Forum Description: Display and Discuss Islamic Arts & Literatures (Painting, Photo, Poem, Caligraphy, etc)
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Subject: Suleyman�s Gallery
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 2:17pm
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Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 10:48pm
Bismillah,
JazakAllahKhayr
------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Posted By: Passerby
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 10:21pm
Masha'Allah..Those are beautiful..
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Posted By: ZamanH
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 11:46pm
As Salaam Akaikum,
As far as I know, depiction of human or animals is prohibited in Islamic arts.
ZamanH
------------- An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet
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Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 30 March 2005 at 10:36am
Dear ZamanH
How about television, video, film, etc these are also human depiction, the different is the rate, in the moving pictures you see 15 to 30 images per second or even more depend on the quality/smootheness of the movement. Do you watch tv/video/film?
------------- Salam/Peace,
Semar
"We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH)
"1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"
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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 30 March 2005 at 6:15pm
you know, you always have the option of not watching or looking
------------- ~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Posted By: ZamanH
Date Posted: 30 March 2005 at 8:55pm
How about television, video, film, etc these are also human depiction
But no one claims tehm to be a product of Islamic arts. I watch TV, video but, I don't think that is comparable to adorning walls though pictures of human beings or animals. Though, I consider taking photograph for documentation purposes to be Islamic (but, not otherwise).
------------- An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet
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Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 3:33am
Bismillah,
If people won't display art in human form, or even family pictures on the wall, what is the difference in leaving a television with human form displayed, especially to watch a movie? To be strict in this belief of not displaying the human form, one would have to only read books and magazines, and maybe just watch news and documentaries on TV.
Isn't the whole point so that we don't worship these images and also to not be swelled up in pride saying look what I created with paintings and scultptures?
------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 1:03pm
ZamanH wrote:
How about television, video, film, etc these are also human depiction
But no one claims them to be a product of Islamic arts.
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Now they are halal, so if someday somehow somebody claims them to be a product of Islamic arts, will be haram?
ZamanH wrote:
I watch TV, video but, I don't think that is comparable to adorning walls though pictures of human beings or animals. |
The current TV (LCD) can be hang on the wall (many people do), so what is the different?
ZamanH wrote:
Though, I consider taking photograph for documentation purposes to be Islamic (but, not otherwise).
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In the old days, there was no photo technology yet, so they used hand to record sombody/animal image.
Is there any hadith stated "for documentation is OK, otherwise not OK." ?
Also from your post: we can conclude if you put images in album/book for documentation is ok , but if we put them in a wall is not OK, so the halal/haram's parameter is a wall.
------------- Salam/Peace,
Semar
"We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH)
"1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"
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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 6:20pm
I thought its just the image of God, that is haram ? no one and nothing else.
But then if you say that God is everywhere, then everything should be banned, trees, rivers, moon, earth, flowers, reading books to etc and etc.
oh why we might not else well be creative because really that is being like God, God is creative and is creator, so initially we should ban our selves and not do anything, lets face it, just writing this post is being creative I am the creator of this post, so am I acting like God in being a creator?
------------- ~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 10:31am
Bismillah,
LOL Angel!
------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Posted By: ZamanH
Date Posted: 04 April 2005 at 1:02am
As Salaam Alaikum,
Honestly, I don't know about the subject really well. Sculptures and engravings of human-beings and animals are notable by their absence in medievial islamic buildings in India. I have heard two reasons concerning the prohibition - firstly, to prevent shirk; and secondly, to prevent man from claiming that he can duplicate/recreate the beauty in Allah's creation through depicting human-beings and animals in pictures,paintings etc.
Therfore, my personal understanding of the matter is that it is unislamic to depict huamn beings and animals in art merely for the sake of pleasure or entertainment (but, for the sake of information/documentation, its alright).
------------- An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet
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Posted By: ZamanH
Date Posted: 04 April 2005 at 1:12am
herjihad wrote:
To be strict in this belief of not displaying the human form, one would have to only read books and magazines, and maybe just watch news and documentaries on TV.
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Yes, that is the what I discern about the matter.
------------- An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet
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Posted By: ZamanH
Date Posted: 04 April 2005 at 1:25am
Angel wrote:
But then if you say that God is everywhere, then everything should be banned, trees, rivers, moon, earth, flowers, reading books to etc and etc.
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When we say, God is everywhere, it clearly indicates that we mean that His influence is everywhere/all-pervasive; I don't understand how can that mean everyone and everything is Allah.
"oh why we might not else well be creative because really that is being like God, God is creative and is creator, so initially we should ban our selves and not do anything, lets face it, just writing this post is being creative I am the creator of this post, so am I acting like God in being a creator?"
But then, you are not claiming to create life. Are you??
------------- An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet
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Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 04 April 2005 at 1:28am
We, Muslims, seem to be so pre-occupied with small issues making a weighty thesis out of an alphabet book...
Should we wear pijamas with teddy-bears depicted on them or would it be better to switch to a checkered one despite it resembling crosses... can we allow passports... what about music and movies... and back to pictures... and return to passports and the time passes by and we grow out of our teddy-bear pijamas... and we wonder, where have we gone wrong.
If only we could strive as hard to establish the meaning of Tawheed deep in our hearts and let it navigate our lives.
MOCKBA
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Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 04 April 2005 at 6:06am
Bismillah,
The prophet, PBUH, smiled and laughed. Maybe our discussion seems silly, but silly can be good when it is lighthearted and goodnatured.
Tawheed and Taqwa are excellent endeavors. May Allah, SWT, lead us to them.
------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 04 April 2005 at 7:03am
ZamanH wrote:
When we say, God is everywhere, it clearly indicates that we mean that His influence is everywhere/all-pervasive; I don't understand how can that mean everyone and everything is Allah. |
Well, if God influences you, then why can He not influence you to draw, paint, grow flowers, write - which can be for a book, plant trees and etc. So many people say they were influence by God and they give thanks to God.
As for the moon and earth, well I guess that is a little out of reach
But then, you are not claiming to create life. Are you??
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Um....If and when I have a baby I will
------------- ~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 04 April 2005 at 7:07am
ZamanH wrote:
Therfore, my personal understanding of the matter is that it is unislamic to depict huamn beings and animals in art merely for the sake of pleasure or entertainment (but, for the sake of information/documentation, its alright). |
If that is what you understand, it is fine
You might like to research the matter some more, one day when you are able to.
------------- ~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Posted By: ZamanH
Date Posted: 05 April 2005 at 10:57pm
Angel wrote:
Um....If and when I have a baby I will
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If you read my post carefully, my point was, when you are writing a post or doing daily chores you are probably not claim to be creating life.
Besides, when you will be producing a baby, you can only claim to be deriving life from pre-existing life. Even the best of the scientists are nowhere near "creating" life.
You probably deserve 10 Noble Prizes if you are able to create life from a scratch.
Also, even if you are able to CREATE life!!, you will still not be able to claim that you can reproduce the beauty in Allah's creation by depicting animals or humans in photographs, sculpture etc (though you can claim you can create life through your apparatus that you would have invented etc.).
------------- An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet
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