What did Prophet Muhammad prophecy?
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Topic: What did Prophet Muhammad prophecy?
Posted By: Shibboleth
Subject: What did Prophet Muhammad prophecy?
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 6:15pm
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A prophet by definition is one who can predict future events. ------------- �If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.� (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al �Imran: 84-85) |
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Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 7:12pm
An answer is only as good as the question. Why must a prophet necessarily predict future events and by what standard have you formed your definition? (you can deny it and you may be correct, but the wording in your question and its presumption at its bases rings of a evangelical) ------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
Shibboleth wrote:Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 7:34pm
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The question is 'what did Muhammad prophecy' The definition only runs concurrent with it's meaning. It's the question that's requires an answer. ------------- �If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.� (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al �Imran: 84-85) |
Posted By: Nazarene
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 8:05pm
salaams
this is from MSN ENCARTA ON LINE
I BELIEVE MUHAMMAD FITS RIGHT IN TO SEVERAL DEFINITIONS OF A PROPHET
ALL SO IF YOU CAPITALIZE THE "P" TO MAKE IT A PROPER NOUN YOU'LL GET THIS DEFINITION ALSO FROM ENCARTA ONLINE:
SEEMS MUHAMMAD IS THE FIRST DEFINITION FOR " P"rophet
leland ------------- love for all conquers all |
Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 8:41pm
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What did Muhammad prophecy to make you believe he is a prophet? What prophecies of his came true? ------------- �If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.� (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al �Imran: 84-85) |
Posted By: Meditations
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 9:48pm
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Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ) came with so many prophecies in Quran and sunnah , that mentioned events in the past which were not known to him/his society, events that occurred during his life and events that occured afterward Example of prophecies that spoke of past events : He told the story of Joseph and his brothers in details that weren't even known to the jews of his time ( Please refer to surah Yusuf ( 12 ) He told the story of how Zakaria was elected to be the caretaker of Mariam He told the stories he was asked about by the people of Quraish ( from an advice by the jews in AlMadina to test him ) , of the young people who went to the cave , and the king who ruled big parts of land ( Zul Qarnain ) ( Please refer to surah Al Kahf ( 18 ) Example of prophecies that occurred during his life : He told of the deaths on Nagashi ( kind of Habasha ( Sudan ) ) the same day he died , an event that would take weeks to arrive by the communication methods available by this time He told about the defeat of the romans by the persians , and that a few days later they will defeat the persians again He even mentioned a geographical information that couldn't possible be known by this time , which is that the place where the battle took place is the lowest land point on earth which is the dead see http://www.universetoday.com/guide-to-space/earth/lowest-point-on-earth/ He told of the winning of the battle of Badr , he even pointed in the battle field to places where certain people would die , which were found dead where he pointed He told of the death of his uncle ( abu lahab ) and his wife without believing in him Example of prophecies that happened after his life : He told of muslims entering Egypt He told of muslims entering Yemen , Sham ( which is currently what is Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine ) , then Iraq , and the exact order each will be entered He told that Othman will be killed He told of Ammar ibn Yasir to be killed He told of how his name/remembrance will be famous Quran says : 094.004 : And exalted thy fame The name Muhammad is the most popular first name on earth The name Muhammad is said out loud 5 times a day in every mosque in the world in Azan , and in every muslim's prayer With time differences , and the semi-spherical nature of our earth , this means that there's no second that passes without his name ( PBUH ) being said thousands if not millions of times This makes him by far the most mentioned person on earth No one from those who were rich, powerful and famous who lived during his times is still knowing or famous , except because of a relation to him Quran says : 15:9 : We have, without doubt, sent down the Message ( Quran ); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). Today , Quran is the most read book in the world , no other book is being memorized the same way muslim memorize Quran ( not only on the chapter , word and letter level , but on the level of vocal performance of each letter ) it's the only book that I know of that survived change or versioning over the years These are mere examples the list on each category ( as well as other categories , such as scientific ) can be very long Regards |
Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 12:18am
Until then, your question is worthless. Is this forward enough for you? ------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 12:20am
Prove that a prophet must nessecarily give a prophecy to be a prophet?
Prophets only need to have proof of their mediation between God and man...which may include signs or even miracles, but does not have to give a prophecy, though prophecy may be one of the signs. ------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:45am
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I agree with brother Andalus that the word "prophet" does not necessarily mean exclusively "one who prophesies". The word does have other connotations. However, I also think that brother (or sister?) Meditations has shown that Muhammad (pbuh) does fit into Shibboleth's rather basic definition of the word. ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 11:02am
------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
Posted By: Meditations
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:11pm
Definitions , and words in general are packages for the meaning it contains, one word's meaning for someone could mean a very different thing for another you either establish a common definition ground , or bypass this step and agree ( temporarily ) with the other's definition to cut it short Not sure if discussing the definition of a Prophet would result in a common ground , for in the end each party can stick to their own definition and insist on it This is why one of the rules of debating , that there're no hassle/spat in definitions , of it's only a package for the meaning it contains That said, you do have a point, for which I think a post on the islamic definition of a Prophet a Messanger Differences between the two, if any, and examples of each would be quite useful Any volunteers ? If none, I'll try to do it in shaa Allah , when time permits AsSalam Alaykoum |
Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:26pm
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The Bible clearly
tells us that the Prophets are from the lineage of Isaac, not Ishmael. In fact,
the Qur'an tells us in Sura 29:27: And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous. This verse says nothing of Ishmael, or of any Prophets descending from him. Furthermore, the Quran itself states that Jesus was a Prophet but the Bible does not state that Muhammad was a Prophet. *** Deuteronomy
18: 20-22 ��However,
the prophet who presumes to speak in my Name a word that I have not commanded
him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die.
And in case you should say in your heart: �How shall we know the word that
Jehovah has not spoken?� When the prophet speaks in the Name of Jehovah and the
word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak.
With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at
him.�** Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah not in the name of Jehovah-Hebrew (YHWH) ------------- �If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.� (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al �Imran: 84-85) |
Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:32pm
The fallacy was in the question, with an assumption buried in its premis. So it was not a matter of finding common ground in and of itself, it was a matter of the person to "clear up the fallacy". This needs to be done in order to proceed on any real discussion on prophethood.
The questioner obviously has a christian perspective of prophethood, which differs from the Judaic tradition, which is another point that could be brought out once the question was clarified and would allow the questioner to have a chance to broden their horizons.
I will include a link that goes into the idea of prophethood in the Islamic tradition. It is from classical sources. Keep in mind this differs from the Judaic notion which holds that the peson's message has something to do with Israel.
http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Proof_of_Prophethood/ - http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Proof_of_Prophethood/
------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 11:04pm
Completely inaccurate. The bible does not exclude Ishmael from having a direct relaitonship with God, or to act as an intermediary between God and man. Since Ishmael would not have a role in the foundation of Israel in the Judaic tradition, then obviously he would not be a Judaic Prophet within the conext of that definition,
Who cares, and why does it matter? The Quran states the Ishmael is a prophet, 19:54,55. Poor soul, you believe you are throwing daggers at us....these are just helium ballons. But if your dellusion makes you happy, then I am happy.
Could you back up your "assertion" with proof? Now this will require you to actually write and not paste. Back up your claim and tell us the falsehood that Prophet Muhammad spoke.
You JWs really bug me with this name game. You all give me a headache. If you guys could only see how idiotic your rants are. I am not worried about what His name is or isn't, if you want to act a fool that is your free choice. What I want is for you to back up your claims. If we use this verse from the bible, Paul should have been put to death. ------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 24 August 2009 at 1:38am
Indeed! Paul should have been put to death immediately. The man should have run back straight to Jerusalem, after the 'scales' had been removed from his eyes. to report to the elders. And the elders should have finished him off. Salaams BMZ ------------- Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God." |
Posted By: Meditations
Date Posted: 24 August 2009 at 2:19am
Ofcourse it's different , I wanted to post the 'islamic' definition , for anyone who's interested The link doesn't seem to work, does it work for you? AsSalam Alaykoum |
Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 24 August 2009 at 9:07pm
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""Muhamad spoke in the name of Allah not in the name of Jehovah-Hebrew (YHWH)"" Deuteronomy 18: 20-22
��However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my Name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of OTHER gods, that prophet must die.
Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was
written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God." Correction. Some impostor name Gabriel. Perhaps the one who deceived Eve? God would not touch it with a 10 foot pole. ------------- �If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.� (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al �Imran: 84-85) |
Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 25 August 2009 at 11:48am
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The question is what did Muhammad prophecy that came true?
------------- �If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.� (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al �Imran: 84-85) |
Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 3:41am
I am amused at the question given that your religion is based upon the non-fulfillment of prophecy.
Did I miss the Book or Gospel of Ishmael in the Bible?
------------- �No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.� Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 3:44am
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"Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."
Correction. Some impostor name Gabriel. Perhaps the one who deceived Eve? God would not touch it with a 10 foot pole." Welcome to the bandwagon.
"In that case why not accept Wallace D. Fard Muhammad or Elijah Mohammad as the last prophet? After all everyone else is jumping on the band-wagon" ------------- �No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.� Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 3:56am
Aren't you arguing on another thread that the Prophet Mohammed was not of the lineage of Ishmael? ------------- �No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.� Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 6:47am
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There are a few repeat threads here... lol
------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi |
Posted By: Mansoor_ali
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 9:03am
Even your own christian priests admit the prophet Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible.
Click http://islamicweb.com/?folder=bible - here to know the truth .
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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 6:47pm
It wasn't even a repeat, he is arguing the opposite side. Good grief! ------------- �No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.� Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 8:00pm
------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 8:03pm
------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |