How first impressions can be hurtful....

 agree with Angela and also with a point that you made.  When people make hateful posts, as long as the moderators or aware Islamicity members, throughly and clearly state and oppose that bigoted, racist, violent et cetera, point of view or harrangue, then it is useful for people to see that.

I did't get this.......

crasss wrote: Jamal Morelli wrote: ...the 'whorehouse' America, etc. because they are Christian... If they were really Christian, they wouldn't be called a 'whorehouse'. Even though the Quran elaborates on certain imperfections in Christian theology, such as inventing human family members of the One God, it is also clear that the Quran has sympathy for the people of the Book, if they really follow the morals taught in the Book. Let's say that there are a few unpleasant truths about the West, concerning these morals: Data from European demographers and statistical bureaus show that a majority of children in Sweden and Norway are now born out of wedlock, as are 60 percent of first-born children in Denmark. The 'whorehouse' problem in formerly Christian countries is not related to Christianity, but to the "modernization" and even outright abolition of Christianity. The truth is that the West does not only reject Islam, it also rejects traditional Christian morality, in terms of which the West is also considered to be a 'whorehouse'. In fact, there is not one religion in terms of which the West is not considered to be a 'whorehouse'. Why don't former Christians re-adopt the morality of the bible, if they can't accept Islam? That would create a minimum of compatibility that does not exist today. On the other hand, I seriously doubt that the problem can still be solved, and therefore, I think it is more interesting to let this problem simply evolve to its logical conclusion.

Assalaamu alaikum:

Ever hear of the term, "its like beating a dead horse"?

That is what it seems  are doing with this subject. Seems we cant have one thread where you do not elaborate on "children born out of wedlock"

Br Crasss, you have much knowledge on this subject but lack the wisdom as to when to drop it, or just let it die.

For the sake of modesty, please drop it. As it states in the Holy Quran:

"O you who believe! Let not some men amongst you laugh at others, it may be that the latter are better that the former, nor let some women laugh at others, :it may be that the latter are better than the former. Nor defame or be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by offensive nicknames, ill-seeming is a name connotting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed, and those who do not desist are (Indeed) doing wrong."  Al-hurjurat  (49:11)

Thank you for your time.

Wasalaam

Edited by Maryah

Angela you really don't have to explain yourself.

If the possibility of redemption is never known, then how will they know its possible?  Perhaps they will think themselves beyond redemption.  And we are assuming that they are in a sinful way when they look to find faith. 

At 17, I was very much an innocent and remained that way for several more years.  When I began my spiritual journey, I didn't smoke, drink, go around with boys.  I literally went from attending church every sunday and teaching Sunday school to wondering if there really was a God and what did he really teach.

That man at the mosque treated us much like you treat western women.  Had you met me that day, you would have looked at my skirt and assumed the worst, even though it came to below the knee.  You would have been very wrong.  You are very wrong about a great many girls.  Your hateful words and actions will only turn away the girls that need God the most.

Whether they are sinners or just lost spiritually they deserve the benefit of the doubt and encouragement to be better people.  Not to be torn down by men who have no right, no clue and no appreciation for the tests and trials faced by them. 

I will tell you this, you ask how could anyone know more about a woman in hijab?  Her community knows what kind of person she was.  Her family, her friends, her coworkers.  A revert doesn't wash away the past, she just washes away the sin of it.  It does her no good to dwell on it, nor does it do her any good to forget.   We learn from our mistakes, if we forget we ever made them, then we didn't learn our lesson.

I never assume anything about a person by their dress or their faith.  The local Imam here in Utah was removed from his position for abusing his wife, they have a new Imam now.  Priests all over are sued for horrible crimes.  Mothers send their sons off to become martyrs or drown them in bathtubs.  Judging someone by their facade is the worst thing you can do.  It might be that girl in the midrift shirt who one day walks into a mosque and asks for answers.  It might be that prostitute who finally finds God and opens a soup kitched for the homeless.  It might be that fine Muslim husband who beats his wife to death or cheats on her and brings her some disease from the prostitute he visited while on a business trip.

Looks aren't everything...