Interest not haram?

Rami wrote: What do you know about the history of the monetary system that has been forced on people world wide in the last century alone, after you learn something then be certain of your self not before.

 I don�t get your smart-alecky remark, may be you are belly aching about the dollar hegemony.  I don�t know I should laugh or feel sorry for your know it all attitude.

All I know is that the winner of the WWII had prerogative to setup a monetary system to meet the needs of the time and pace of industrialization of the capitalist nation, necessity was the mother. Now lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then US is going through de-industrialization, likes of Googles are worth more than the smoke stacks industries. Some new paradigm will take place what ever will be, will be

Rami wrote: in a natural maket prices fluctuate becouse of supply and demand. You are not looking beyond the monetary system that is in front of your face, ask your grandfather if he is old enough or great grandfather if he is still alive about inflation and the idea of money loosing value due to time. An utterly ridiculous concept that people have come to accept as something normal in life. .

The supply and demand thing is moot point here for me, I seen enough when I was in  business. I have retired I will think about this stuff once a while.

Our head honcho has lost his marbles and blowing tons of borrowed money like drunken sailor in hell hole called Iraq.

 Wars have their ways of rewarding the winner or penalizing the loser; WWII gave the US unprecedented economic hegemony, wrong policies and Vietnam war gave the US Nixon Shock and hyper inflation ruined the Carter Presidency.

And yes my great grand father time saw the destruction of a Muslim Empire due to wrong economic industrial policies or lack there off. When you don�t produce something valuable you lose the value of your money and nobody wants to work for you and people jump ship.

Does any justification for the Diaspora of Muslims come to your mind?

It is the world which lines up for the dollars offering cheap products and services. Who is forcing a communist country like China lending billions of dollars it earned producing low cost products back to the US? Though I dread the day if and when this symbiotic relationship goes sour!

Rami wrote: Did you know, since your an American, that there is no explicit law in America requiring a person to pay taxes but yet the entire American population does so simply because there told to. If you don�t believe me quote me the law requiring you to do so. .

And finally I didn�t expect you to be conspiracy monger cuz you have been a moderator.

You do bring some valuable information about Islamic resources here but by stating this you have utterly disappointed me. I am sorry to say that:

BTW here is the 16^th  amendment to the Constitution of the United States which authorized the Congress to legislate the tax code:

AMENDMENT XVI

Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 9, of the Constitution was modified by amendment 16.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Conspiracy theories and allegations

The IRS is often featured in various conspiracy theories. One of the prominent allegation of IRS's insidious conduct is the the movie America: From Freedom to Fascism, directed by Libertarian filmmaker Aaron Russo, that explores the possible plot making United States to become a police state which IRS is allegedly taking part.

rami wrote: Generally speaking this attitude sickens me when i see it in people, just becouse they can do what they like does not mean what they do is right and even more importantly does not make following and accepting them permissible with Allah. Rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] said muslims would follow westerners to the extent that if they went down a lizard hole muslims would follow after them. .

WAS

Could you please quote this hadith or quote and its source or is this actually something you interpreted in your own manner.

A westerner in Rasul'Allah's (pbuh) day would not have been American. The Americans in his day were brown and unknown to him. They were not the people that dominate here now, the descendants of Europeans and every other nationality. The poeple to the west of him were north African.  I do not think "westerner" was the word used in this hadith. It would have been something more like "kafir" or Kufr? Where did you get the literal word "westerner?"

Are we interpreting something possibly to our own whims?

I am sorry you show your dislike for Westerners so evidently.

So why do you live in a western type society such as Australia?

And what is your degree in Islamic studies or or you an Imam?

You address others as if you were always in the right and they were always in the wrong.

Please answer me BR Rami, you have already humiliated me in public here in this forum.

I think since you are a student of the sayings of Rasul'Allah (pbuh) that you have read His Last Sermon?

Here is the hadith I know of:

Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri

The Prophet said, "You will follow the ways of those nations who were before you, span by span and cubit by cubit (i.e., inch by inch) so much so that even if they entered a hole of a mastigure, you would follow them." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! (Do you mean) the Jews and the Christians?" He said, "Whom else?"

So where did you get "westerner" and that does not mean that Western muslims act as the above referenced.