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Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:


Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

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If Jesus is the Son of God, it means that Mary's parents is God-in-law.
How do you use your own common sense. Does it make sense that God has in-laws?...

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LOL... This is really funny... it really made me laugh!


Yes MIAW, may Allah Ta'ala always give us strength to always hold fast to the teachings that are blessed by Allah Ta'ala. Aameen.

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Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

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If Jesus is the Son of God, it means that Mary's parents is God-in-law.
How do you use your own common sense. Does it make sense that God has in-laws?...

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LOL... This is really funny... it really made me laugh!


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(Jesus was not a muslim he is the Son of God.)

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If Jesus is the Son of God, it means that Mary's parents is God-in-law.
How do you use your own common sense. Does it make sense that God has in-laws?

(He will not came to establised islam Muhammad already establised his own religeon why would Jesus come down to promote Muhammad's religeon.

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I have explained in this forum that the word "Islam" is Arabic which means "surrender", and "Surrender" is English language.
So Jesus will go down not to establish Islam because that is the religion of all the Prophets. So Jesus came down to realign the teachings of Tawheed, namely surrender and worship only to the one God who created the universe.

(What is the notion of breaking crosses and killing pigs and abolish jizya tax?)

(The Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw prophesied:

حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، حَدَّثَنَا الزُّهْرِيُّ، قَالَ �£َخْبَرَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ، سَمِعَ �£َبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ “‏ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى يَنْزِلَ فِيكُمُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ حَكَمًا مُقْسِطًا، فَيَكْسِرَ الصَّلِيبَ، وَيَقْتُلَ الْخِنْزِيرَ، وَيَضَعَ الْجِزْيَةَ، وَيَفِيضَ الْمَالُ حَتَّى لاَ يَقْبَلَهُ �£َحَدٌ ‏”‏‏.‏

Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Hadith #656)

Answer:
Jesus will break the cross because he was not crucified but was lifted up to heaven.
He will kill the pig because it will cause harm to the human body. And in the reign of Jesus later, the earth will be fertile so that there is no need to levy more taxes, people will live in harmony and peace.

(The next sign of the Messiah of the Latter days which will be discussed is the killing of the swine. This is another metaphorical sign of the Messiah, and does not literally mean that the messiah would come to kill pigs. If 100 pigs are killed on one side of the world, thousands would be given birth on the other. 

No true Muslim can believe that the task of a prophet is to come and run around like a hunter to kill pigs, rather the task of a prophet is to guide the people towards Allah. How will the killing of pigs guide anyone to the truth? If one takes this to be literal, they should remember that such a killing would never end.)

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That is in your opinion, no one knows the scenario created by Allah except only informs the sign that the end of the world is near.


(Allah States in the Qur’an  5:60

Say, ‘Shall I inform you of those whose reward with Allah is worse than that?They arethose whom Allah has cursed and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made apes and swine and who worship the Evil One. These indeed are in a worse plight, and farther astray from the right path(Chapter 5 Verse 61)

Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes. The prophecy of killing the swine is also in the same manner. The reason the Holy Prophetsaw said that the Messiah would kill the swine is becase the Messiah would have the duty of dealing with the people who would be like swines in their characteristics. It is also stated in the interprettion of dreams that one who kills a pig, inn reality means that he would argue with a evil minded person. In Ta’tirul Anam it is stted that a pig in a dream refers to a cruel and power enemy and many times is referred to the Jews and the Christians. We should remember that these prophecies were also dreams shown to the Holy Prophet, and therefore also have to be interpreted.)

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The verse is true.
Allah will be angry with those who changed Allah's words in the Torah and the Gospel, so that many people have been led astray.
Jesus will come to invite people who have gone astray back to the right path which is blessed by Allah.

(Thanks it is not my God.)

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It's up to you, because I believe that the angel on your left has written what you said.

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Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Quote Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?

Or they could both be wrong.
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.

 
Why would a prophet came before doomsday to tell all non muslims to convert to islam or else Allah will throw them into the hell.

Muhammad's version of the second coming of Isa.

Islamic literature seems to suggest that Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and confirm the truth of Islam. A much-quoted hadith, to which the Dabiq headline was alluding, says, “The Son of Mary will soon descend among you as a just ruler; he will break the cross and kill the swine.” The usual interpretation of this prophecy is that when Jesus comes back, he will put an end to his own worship, symbolized by the cross kill all the pigs, and re-establish the dietary laws that Christianity abandoned but Jews and Muslims still observe.

Also prominent in Muslims’ view of the end times is a battle between Jesus and the Antichrist, the Dajjal. According to Sahih al-Muslim, “The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-Amaq or in Dabiq.” After this battle with the Romans, the Antichrist will challenge Muslims and even have the upper hand against them until Allah sends Jesus back from heaven. Then “Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on [Jesus’s] lance” (Sahih al-Muslim 2897).

 

Beyond this point, Islamic eschatology begins to vary widely depending on one’s denomination. Many believe Jesus will fight alongside Muslims, who will be fighting Jews, and even the stones will cry out against Jews on that day. Muhammad said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’” (Sahih al-Bukhari 4.52.177).

What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.


Jesus will be sent down to earth to invite humanity back to the religion of monotheism, namely worship and surrender only to one God who created them. 
Islam means "Surrender to one God"

You said:
(What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.)

Answer:
Allah is Willing.
Allah created hell, that is His will.


Jesus was not a muslim he is the Son of God.
He will not came to establised islam Muhammad already establised his own religeon why would Jesus come down to promote Muhammad's religeon.
What is the notion of breaking crosses and killing pigs and abolish jizya tax?

The Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw prophesied:

 

حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، حَدَّثَنَا الزُّهْرِيُّ، قَالَ �£َخْبَرَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ، سَمِعَ �£َبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ “‏ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى يَنْزِلَ فِيكُمُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ حَكَمًا مُقْسِطًا، فَيَكْسِرَ الصَّلِيبَ، وَيَقْتُلَ الْخِنْزِيرَ، وَيَضَعَ الْجِزْيَةَ، وَيَفِيضَ الْمَالُ حَتَّى لاَ يَقْبَلَهُ �£َحَدٌ ‏”‏‏.‏

 

Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Hadith #656)

 

The next sign of the Messiah of the Latter days which will be discussed is the killing of the swine. This is another metaphorical sign of the Messiah, and does not literally mean that the messiah would come to kill pigs. If 100 pigs are killed on one side of the world, thousands would be given birth on the other. No true Muslim can believe that the task of a prophet is to come and run around like a hunter to kill pigs, rather the task of a prophet is to guide the people towards Allah. How will the killing of pigs guide anyone to the truth? If one takes this to be literal, they should remember that such a killing would never end.

 

Allah States in the Qur’an  5:60

 

Say, ‘Shall I inform you of those whose reward with Allah is worse than that?They arethose whom Allah has cursed and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made apes and swine and who worship the Evil One. These indeed are in a worse plight, and farther astray from the right path(Chapter 5 Verse 61)

 

Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes. The prophecy of killing the swine is also in the same manner. The reason the Holy Prophetsaw said that the Messiah would kill the swine is becase the Messiah would have the duty of dealing with the people who would be like swines in their characteristics. It is also stated in the interprettion of dreams that one who kills a pig, inn reality means that he would argue with a evil minded person. In Ta’tirul Anam it is stted that a pig in a dream refers to a cruel and power enemy and many times is referred to the Jews and the Christians. We should remember that these prophecies were also dreams shown to the Holy Prophet, and therefore also have to be interpreted.

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Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Quote Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?

Or they could both be wrong.
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.

 
Why would a prophet came before doomsday to tell all non muslims to convert to islam or else Allah will throw them into the hell.

Muhammad's version of the second coming of Isa.

Islamic literature seems to suggest that Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and confirm the truth of Islam. A much-quoted hadith, to which the Dabiq headline was alluding, says, “The Son of Mary will soon descend among you as a just ruler; he will break the cross and kill the swine.” The usual interpretation of this prophecy is that when Jesus comes back, he will put an end to his own worship, symbolized by the cross kill all the pigs, and re-establish the dietary laws that Christianity abandoned but Jews and Muslims still observe.

Also prominent in Muslims’ view of the end times is a battle between Jesus and the Antichrist, the Dajjal. According to Sahih al-Muslim, “The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-Amaq or in Dabiq.” After this battle with the Romans, the Antichrist will challenge Muslims and even have the upper hand against them until Allah sends Jesus back from heaven. Then “Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on [Jesus’s] lance” (Sahih al-Muslim 2897).

 

Beyond this point, Islamic eschatology begins to vary widely depending on one’s denomination. Many believe Jesus will fight alongside Muslims, who will be fighting Jews, and even the stones will cry out against Jews on that day. Muhammad said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’” (Sahih al-Bukhari 4.52.177).

What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.


Jesus will be sent down to earth to invite humanity back to the religion of monotheism, namely worship and surrender only to one God who created them. 
Islam means "Surrender to one God"

You said:
(What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.)

Answer:
Allah is Willing.
Allah created hell, that is His will.


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Originally posted by saeedalyousuf saeedalyousuf wrote:

The message of the Quran, in brief, is that the real and just human life is only possible with belief in Allah,  the Day of Judgment and the correct implementation of the Quranic guidance. Otherwise, as we are experiencing now and know from the past history, it will be injustice, corruption and inhuman life that could be worse than the hell.
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OK, but is there any supporting evidence for that?
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The message of the Quran, in brief, is that the real and just human life is only possible with belief in Allah,  the Day of Judgment and the correct implementation of the Quranic guidance. Otherwise, as we are experiencing now and know from the past history, it will be injustice, corruption and inhuman life that could be worse than the hell.
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Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Quote Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?

Or they could both be wrong.
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.

 
Why would a prophet came before doomsday to tell all non muslims to convert to islam or else Allah will throw them into the hell.

Muhammad's version of the second coming of Isa.

Islamic literature seems to suggest that Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and confirm the truth of Islam. A much-quoted hadith, to which the Dabiq headline was alluding, says, “The Son of Mary will soon descend among you as a just ruler; he will break the cross and kill the swine.” The usual interpretation of this prophecy is that when Jesus comes back, he will put an end to his own worship, symbolized by the cross kill all the pigs, and re-establish the dietary laws that Christianity abandoned but Jews and Muslims still observe.

Also prominent in Muslims’ view of the end times is a battle between Jesus and the Antichrist, the Dajjal. According to Sahih al-Muslim, “The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-Amaq or in Dabiq.” After this battle with the Romans, the Antichrist will challenge Muslims and even have the upper hand against them until Allah sends Jesus back from heaven. Then “Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on [Jesus’s] lance” (Sahih al-Muslim 2897).

 

Beyond this point, Islamic eschatology begins to vary widely depending on one’s denomination. Many believe Jesus will fight alongside Muslims, who will be fighting Jews, and even the stones will cry out against Jews on that day. Muhammad said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’” (Sahih al-Bukhari 4.52.177).

What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.


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