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blond wrote: .....I have also seen people who display the images of others being called idolotors. I don't agree with this.  However, I have seen images of Prophets being sold even in Mecca, and I am against that. Could someone please speak to this issue?

Asslam-o-Aliakum

Here is a Fatwa� on this subject by - Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Canada

"Photography as a medium of communication or for the simple, innocent retention of memories without the taint of reverence/shirk does not fall under the category of forbidden Tasweer.

One finds a number of traditions from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, condemning people who make Tasweer, which denotes painting or carving images or statues. It was closely associated with paganism or shirk. People were in the habit of carving images and statues for the sake of worship. Islam, therefore, declared Tasweer forbidden because of its close association with shirk (association of partners with Allah). One of the stated principles of usul-u-Fiqh (Principles of Islamic Jurisprudence) is that if anything directly leads to haram, it is likewise haram. In other words, Tasweer was forbidden precisely for the reason that it was a means leading to shirk.

The function of photography today does not fall under the above category. Even some of the scholars who had been once vehemently opposed to photography under the pretext that it was a form of forbidden Tasweer have later changed their position on it - as they allow even for their own pictures to be taken and published in newspapers, for videotaping lectures and for presentations; whereas in the past, they would only allow it in exceptional cases such as passports, drivers� licenses, etc. The change in their view of photography is based on their assessment of the role of photography.

Having said this, one must add a word of caution: To take pictures of leaders and heroes and hang them on the walls may not belong to the same category of permission. This may give rise to a feeling of reverence and hero worship, which was precisely the main thrust of the prohibition of Tasweer. Therefore, one cannot make an unqualified statement to the effect that all photography is halal. It all depends on the use and function of it. If it is for educational purpose and has not been tainted with the motive of reverence and hero worship, there is nothing in the sources to prohibit it."

It is not considered haram (forbidden) to hang family pictures on the wall; however, I should urge you against hanging them on the wall directly facing you in Prayer. For by hanging them in the direction of Prayer, your thoughts will likely be distracted; furthermore, it may inadvertently give the impression that we worship pictures. It is important for us Muslims to make ourselves distinct in our religious practices from those who associate partners with Allah in their worship. So never hang such pictures in the direction of your Prayer.

Still another point to consider: Never hang pictures of leaders and heroes, past or present, on your walls, for it may inadvertently lead to feelings of extreme reverence and hero worship, and this in turn may become an avenue leading to shirk. Such things are considered as avenues leading to that which is haram, and hence considered as forbidden. It is worth remembering that this was the main rationale for prohibiting carving images and statues in the first place.

Since, however, such motives are entirely lacking in hanging family pictures, there is no reason to consider it as haram.

That is the sunni defanition, so no it is not my word

Which of the 35 sects among Sunnis have that �definition�? Anyone other than Wahabism or Salafism? Because these two sect believe that the remaining 32 Sunni sects and 37 Shi�ite sects � all are heretics or Kafirs!

What are you abjecting to, i gave a rough figure of sunni muslims who follow a madhhab�

Do you know when some is talking of �rough figure� � he says �approximately� or �estimated�. This distortion of population to serve your hatred towards Shi�ites destroy your credibility, once for all.

Imam Jaffar as sidiq did not establish a madhhab, nor do sunni's believe what you attribute to him

Ignorance is very dangerous thing buddy. What I �aatribute� come from a great Sunni historian from Pakistan, Dr. Jamil Ahmad in his masterpiece �Hundred Great Muslims�. I can assure you the writer is more knowledgeable than �you and me� put together.

you reply is bordering on insulting i suggest you tone down your reply's or they will be moderated, please read the forum guidlines for posting

Are threatening me as a Moderator or what?

I suggest you follow the example of Imam jaffar as sidiq when it comes to replying and act with adab

And what�s wrong with the rest of Imams � Abu Hannifa, Shaifi, Malik, Hassan al-Bannah, Khomeini, etc? But you just said my �attributions� of Imam Ja�afar (ra) were wrong!

I'l remember to call my Shia friends that next time we go to pray Dhur while we apoint a Salafi br as our Imam

I can assure you � You would not be the first one!

You should be more carefull where you get you information from, Tasawuf is an Islamic science, if you like i can provide for you quotes from Clasical Sunni muslim scholars

NO thank you very much. I am quite well informed about the background of �this science� � going back to Hinduism and Buddhism.

As for the �scholars are concerned� � Sunni Sufis like Hamza Yusuf, Hassan Turabi, Abdullah Hakim Murad, Nuh Han Him Keller, and Dr. Saeed Ramadan are called DEVIANTS by the Wahabi and Salafi scholars.

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Rehmat wrote: As for the �scholars are concerned� � Sunni Sufis like Hamza Yusuf, Hassan Turabi, Abdullah Hakim Murad, Nuh Han Him Keller, and Dr. Saeed Ramadan are called DEVIANTS by the Wahabi and Salafi scholars.

I know some people, claiming to belong to no specific group, but have a motif of bellitlling "a" group, bringing quotes from "another" group, which they know are positively "anti" to this first group.

Like some to the non-muslims would want to provoke the sunnis, with quotes from shias etc.

There are two groups in India a) barelwi b) dewbandi ... I can never remember who is who, but one is a sufi and other is a salafi. There is a "qissa"  which some ppl (belonging to none of the above mentioned groups) will not fail to relate to you(if they know you have a suif bend) about one of the scholars of the sufi group on his death ..... that when he died, people saw the face of the corpse was like a pigs.  What should someone do if people talk like this ... you should get up and walk out of the mahfil, because the believers are those who walk on this earth in humility, when the ignorant address, they say peace ....

Salafis are the only group who think they have the right to call anybody and everybody a DEVIANT.

Your tone is very belligerant. You do not give an impression of discussing  the matter, rather trying to flaunt  your knowledge accompanied by a dismissal to everything that is, or will be brought forth.

Last but not the least. You can assure nothing about sufism. Tassawwuf should not be taken from people who do not have proper adab towards shcolars (Ulema) of Islam!

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