The Qur'aan Cosmological Model |
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al-amiyr
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al-amiyr
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I hope to bring this subject to a satisfactory
conclusion. I will be presenting the QCM delineated diagrams in coming posts inshaa allaah. In the meantime, have a look at the following diagram that
sums up the Qur'aan Cosmological Model.
Here is a little diagram about the great reality as portrayed in the qur'aan. The seven samaawaat (universal realms) one above the other with varying degrees of outward expansion. The innermost samaa' (universal realm) being drawn outwards by the gravity of the six outer samaawaat (universal realms) and the close to halting of the outermost samaa' (universal realm) by the gravitational attraction of the six inner samaawaat (universal realms). Soon to be continued inshaa allaah. R - - - - - - -> /\llllllllll/\_/\ (Table Mountain)[/quote] |
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StopS
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Yep, I totally agree. The whole deception actually sets in when the statement is: That is why it is sacrilegious to translate the Books of ALLAAH into other languages So someone comes to an English forum and says you need a totally different language to be able to discuss it. Is the correct meaning of something ever provided? No, of course not. If someone has an opinion or an idea, why not test it and discuss it? No problem. But to claim that it is the only truth and not falsifiable due to its usage of a different language is not an honest approach. |
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schmikbob
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I just love the irony in this ridiculous statement, "And it is because of this inaccurate conclusion of the lack of the proper understanding of the correct meaning of the verse that all the confusion begins and then all sorts of wild statements are made by those who claim the Qur'aan to be scientific and those who assert that it is not." Please tell me someone else sees it.
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al-amiyr
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A very important point not to forget. Why does the Qur'aan state the cosmological facts as follows: "that the samaawaat(heavens) and the �arD(earth) were both Ratq(sewn or brought together etc.) and so We Fataq(unstiched or separated etc.) them both again.?" Because of the manner in which the Qur'aan stated the cosmological facts the following two questions spring to mind: 1)- does the Qur'aan say that the �arD is a separate and unique entity in the Universe? 2)- does the Qur'aan say that the �arD was already in existence at the birth of the Universe? If we look at the Qur'aanic verse and even examine it a little more deeper it would appear as if the Qur'aan is actually saying that. But that perception or conclusion is not exactly true. And it is because of this inaccurate conclusion of the lack of the proper understanding of the correct meaning of the verse that all the confusion begins and then all sorts of wild statements are made by those who claim the Qur'aan to be scientific and those who assert that it is not. And it is also because of this inaccurate conclusion that has led to the confusion which caused the Muslim scholars to deliberately falsify the translations by removing or not including the word 'both' from or in the actual translation of the original verb which is in the dual form. In other words the Qur'aan states 'kaanataa' 'both of them were' or 'the two of them were' or 'they two were' and then the translators took it upon themselves to transform it into 'they were' or 'were'. That is why it is sacrilegious to translate the Books of ALLAAH into other languages without providing detailed explanations. Of the approximately seventy Qur'aan translations that I have examined so far I have found only two translations which have faithfully included the dual in their translations. Not to say that the other parts of their translations are not without grave errors. It will surprise many that both of these translations that translated the verse correctly with the dual included were not made by Muslim translators but maybe surprisingly by non Muslim ones. In my opinion it would not be going too far to say that a common trait in man is that he loves to exaggerate when it suites him and he loves to hang on and to invent or follow explanations to that of which he knows little or nothing of. Let us now examine precisely what the Qur'aan is exactly saying. It is well worth mentioning that when one has sufficiently studied the Qur'aan and the other important teachings of the Prophet (S+) one will immediately know that this verse is referring to three things simultaneously. In other words three different independent matters are being discussed providing the reader with factual information for observation and consideration. Let us see what it is! 1)- the samaawaat (definition in a previous post) 2)- the �arD (definition in a previous post) 3)- the samaawaat and the �arD To understand this better let us make a comparison with something else: 'the school and the principal were both famous' There are three clear possibilities of understanding what was said. 1)- the school 2)- the principal 3)- the school and the principal In the first example it is referring to the whole school; the students; the teachers; and the principal. There was none that was specifically famous; none that stood out from the rest. Just the whole school that was famous. In the second example it is referring only to the principal; not to the school as a whole; not to the students; and not to the teachers. There was only one who was specifically famous; one that stood out from the rest. And it was just the principal who was alone famous. In the third example it is referring to the whole school generally as well as to the principal specifically. It was not only the school as a whole that was famous but also the principal who in his own right was also famous. Likewise as in our example the same rule applies to the mentioned Qur'aanic cosmological verse. Let us see! In the first example it is referring to the whole of space and everything that it contains including the earth which is a body moving in that space. In other words it is referring to the whole universe as already explained i.e. the sun, the moon, the stars,the galaxies and everything else including the earth. And it says that all these entities comprising the universe were Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. brought together as one unified entity for the purpose of breaking it apart again to form the universe). In the second example it is referring to the earth alone and no other entity in the universe; not to the sun; not the moon; not to the stars etc. but only to the earth specifically. It says that once upon a time the earth was also Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. brought together as one unified entity (previous continents came together to form Pangaea and then again split to form the 'seven continents' ( there are seven major plates and a number of minor plates) which are still spreading apart to this day). In the third example it is referring to both what happened in the universe as well as what happened to the earth. Both underwent their own Ratq fa (and so) Fataq and both were part of a united Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. the whole of space and everything that it contains including the earth were once upon a time in a state that was brought together as one unified entity for the purpose of breaking it apart again to form the universe which is in an observed accelerated expansion to this day. So there you have it in a nutshell. A great amount of details all applying to two different phenomena simultaneously. Now I will leave you with a quotation with what the Prophet (S+) of the Qur'aan had said one thousand four hundred years ago. The Book of Bukhari Volume 9. Book 87. Number 141 Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying. "I have been sent with Jawami al-Kalim (i.e.. the shortest expression carrying the widest meanings). and I was made victorious with awe (caste into the hearts of the enemy) and while I was sleeping the keys of the treasures of the earth were brought to me and were put in my hand." Muhammad (S+) said. Jawami'-al-Kalim means that Allah expresses in one or two statements or thereabouts the numerous matters that used to be written in the books revealed before (the coming of) the Prophet . In a coming post I will give a brief discussion on the apparent conflict between the information contained in the next and second Qur'aan Cosmological verse which states that the universe shall be contracted and the observed accelerated expansion of the universe today. To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH had willed). Edited by al-amiyr - 19 December 2012 at 3:55pm |
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StopS
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"Do not speak what you do not know."
Do you follow your own advice? I see your Fig.001 Standard Delineation still has the same mistake in it: Your version: Kh = T +R +F +2R +2F Correct version? Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F Also: your colour coding is wrong. �samaawaat� is the plural of the Arabic word �samaa�� meaning: high, lofty, raised, upraised, uplifted, upreared, exalted, or elevated What are the plural forms of these? What is the meaning of: "the two states of the Universe which were both once compacted together which underwent expansion and then rapid inflation"? What exactly is "Qur�aanic cosmological algorithmic compression"? That is probably the worst pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo I have ever heard. |
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al-amiyr
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Thanks for your contribution which is mostly correct. Your comment about pseudoscience is, however, in itself pseudo. Do not speak what you do not know. Don't base your observations on what people do or have done and judge the Qur'aan thereby. This Qur'aan Cosmological Model is far from finished and it reveals the answers to everything Modern Cosmology is seeking. Ask questions relating to it. |
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Matt Browne
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This fascinating nonsense has got a name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_foreknowledge_in_sacred_texts#Bucailleism and it made it into the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_characterized_as_pseudoscience Maurice Bucaille was a French medical doctor and member of the French Society of Egyptology. In 1973, Bucaille was appointed family physician to King Faisal of Saudi Arabia. After embracing Islam in 1976, he published a book in which he argued that the Qur'an contains no statements contradicting established scientific facts. Bucaille argued that the Qur'an is in agreement with scientific facts, while the Bible is not. He claims that there are monumental errors of science in the Bible and not a single error in the Qur'an. His belief was that the Qur'an's descriptions of natural phenomena make it compatible with modern science. Bucaille concluded that the Qur'an must be the words of God. His book started a movement called Bucailleism, attracting thousands, if not millions of orthodox Muslims. This has led to the widespread belief that the Qur'an prophesied the big bang theory, space travel and other contemporary scientific breakthroughs. In fact, there are more than 1200 verses which can be interpreted in the light of modern science, the followers of the movement sincerely believe. The search for Qur'anic references to and prophecies of modern scientific discoveries has become a popular trend in some Muslim societies. Thousands of zealous people are wasting their time with this kind of pseudoscientific nonsense. The belief of scientific foreknowledge in sacred texts also exists in orthodox Judaism and Christian fundamentalism. A good example is young-earth Creationism. Edited by Matt Browne - 16 December 2012 at 7:30am |
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