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iec786
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hI Caringheart,
It is comparative... what Muhammad taught vs. what Jesus taught. Muhammad seems to have been confused. Is God a God of confusion? [end edit] You see when you say the teaching of Jesus what do you mean,where is it where Jesus speaks unequivocally??? you can quote Paul the liar as much as you want we cannot believe the Bible as the true word of God and we have posted several posts on this.You have no evidence. Thank you iec |
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Caringheart
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the words of Yshwe; 29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. This reminded me today, of a verse of the qur'an that I remember reading. Anyone recognize it? Muhammad spoke of it being a good thing to move to another land when one was not welcomed in their current place, and that allah has his reward for this? Edited by Caringheart - 04 September 2014 at 11:06am |
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Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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honeto
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Caringheart,
I think you are mixed up and I can help, God willing. First, God loves his creation, all. It is for that purpose that He showers His Mercy on all, those who deny Him, those who obey Him, and those who are unaware of Him. I am sure religious teachings tell us that. Our God given brain with simple use can figure that out as well. Now, the second part comes with God giving us the free will and telling us what is right and what is wrong, and to do right and stay away from wrong. God also told us that if we willfully decide to do wrong, we will have its consequence, a punishment. And if we do right as God tell us, thus obey God, we will be rewarded afterward. Quite simple, so far, I hope. The above message was universal and preached by All of God's prophets. That is what I have been saying. You are saying that Jesus, somehow preaches love for all, that need explanation. Are you saying that Jesus' love thingy means that even if you accept or reject God, obey or disobey God, there is no punishment or reward? or with this love, there is no punishment for anyone? Please clarify your understanding and belief on this, so we can proceed and conclude on this issue. Caringheart, In USA before the end of segregation in most of the Southern states blacks could not attend anything that was for whites, that included churches, schools, theaters, ride bus or train cars and so on. To this day there are race oriented churches that only cater on color lines. I know that now there are churches that have mixed color people, but still there are churches that are color oriented. Attending Mosque: Any Muslim can attend mosque as a worshiper, any non-Muslim as a visitor, even though in any mosque no one will check if you are a worshiper or visitor at the door. We get visitors at our mosques here in South Texas often. And since, mosques generally don't have membership people freely worship at different mosques. I myself have prayed at all four mosques in our town. And I have lived in several states and saw similar practices. One more thing, we get Shias ofen attend our mosques too and we worship side by side. Peace, Hasan Edited by honeto - 07 August 2012 at 11:10am |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Caringheart
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Hello Hasan, "Sorry but I can not really respond since you didn't really respond to what I had written... but these two things..."Did you miss that part of my last reply? [edit] or perhaps I just could not understand what it was you were trying to say? What can be said about passages in the Qur'an that always have qualifiers about who to like, who to help? and yet you say the Qur'an says love all. I see that the Qur'an is very conflicting in what it says. It's either 'love only those who proclaim to be Muslim' or it is 'love all'. Which is it that Allah says? It seems Allah says both. Whereas, Jesus said 'love all' without qualification. Jesus never separated Himself from anyone. He came to call the lost not condemn them. It is comparative... what Muhammad taught vs. what Jesus taught. Muhammad seems to have been confused. Is God a God of confusion? [end edit] Regarding the separate black churches... As far as my knowledge extends... Originally, during the slave days, the blacks attended church with their masters... but sat in separated sections. I believe the blacks were made to sit in balconies. When the blacks became free they established their own churches and I believe it has remained this way in great part because the blacks(African Americans) have their own style of worship which does not necessarily appeal to the whites... and vice versa. Each has their own way and each chooses what suits them best. The black churches are much more, shall we say vigorous, or animated, in their services. But I know of a great many integrated churches where people of all colors attend. It is a matter of preference in the U.S. People go where they are most comfortable... where they feel they best fit in, or get the most out of their worship service. Can anyone that wants to, attend a Mosque if they want to? Edited by Caringheart - 06 August 2012 at 9:43pm |
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honeto
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Caringheart, there may be churches that have mixed race members, but I was talking about race based Churches here in the US. Black churches and only white churches all along southern states. It is a common phenomenon, its strange that you seem to be unaware of that. I have visited several churches in the past. I did not see you address rest of my post above. Hasan |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Caringheart
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Right. Muhammad was always adding qualifiers as afterthoughts. I thought Qur'an is supposed to be sufficient. This is why I am unconvinced of Muhammad as prophet of God. I see him as more of a man advancing his own agenda, which is not to say it was a bad agenda, or that it did not accomplish good things for a time... and still can. Edited by Caringheart - 04 August 2012 at 4:48pm |
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Prophets were sent by God to be living examples of how a true believer should be.
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Abu Loren
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This is talking about the Christians and Jews who converted to Islam. See the following tasfir. Yet they, the People of the
Scripture, are not all alike, equal; some of the People of the Scripture are a
community upright, with integrity, adhering to the truth, such as �Abd Allāh b.
Salām, may God be pleased with him and his companions, who recite God�s verses
in the watches of the night, that is, during its hours, prostrating themselves,
performing prayer (wa-hum yasjudūn, �prostrating themselves�, is a
circumstantial qualifier). |
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