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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

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Hello Hasan,

You say that "Music and songs takes away the rememberence of Allah as the tune and the songs linger in the mind."
which is absolutely true if ones listens to incorrect music.

For me, the music I listen to(which is Godly music only) helps to keep my mind focused on God rather than on worldly things... for precisely the reasons that you state... the music and words, which are words from scripture, linger in the mind.  Even when I am not listening to music God will remind me of a song when I need a Word from Him.  He speaks to me with His Word, whether in the form of music, or in thought.  The Word of God is alive and active... It lives in me.

I believe it matters what kind of music we are talking about... what kind of music you listen to.  There is much music in the world that is not helpful and leading away from God.  But there is much music that worships and honors God... guiding the thoughts to God and Father.

If the music cleanses the soul it is good for the soul.  If the music feeds the flesh it is death for the soul. - C. Lynn

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David honored God with music, and God acknowledged it.
 
I'm not Hasan :)
 
David (pbuh) did not sing but he chanted the psalms, the same as Muhammed (pbuh) chanted the Holy Qur'an.
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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

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Hello Hasan,

You say that "Music and songs takes away the rememberence of Allah as the tune and the songs linger in the mind."
which is absolutely true if ones listens to incorrect music.

For me, the music I listen to(which is Godly music only) helps to keep my mind focused on God rather than on worldly things... for precisely the reasons that you state... the music and words, which are words from scripture, linger in the mind.  Even when I am not listening to music God will remind me of a song when I need a Word from Him.  He speaks to me with His Word, whether in the form of music, or in thought.  The Word of God is alive and active... It lives in me.

I believe it matters what kind of music we are talking about... what kind of music you listen to.  There is much music in the world that is not helpful and leading away from God.  But there is much music that worships and honors God... guiding the thoughts to God and Father.

If the music cleanses the soul it is good for the soul.  If the music feeds the flesh it is death for the soul. - C. Lynn

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David honored God with music, and God acknowledged it.


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Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:

that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."

English reference
: Vol. 7, Book 69, Hadith 494A
Arabic reference
: Book 74, Hadith 5649
 
It was narrated that Al-Awza'i said:
"Umar bin 'Abdul-'Aziz wrote a letter to 'Umar bin Al-Walid in which he said: 'The share that your father gave to you was the entire Khumus,[1] but the share that your father is entitled to is the same as that of any man among the Muslims, on which is due the rights of Allah and His Messenger, and of relatives, orphans, the poor and wayfarers. How many will dispute with your father on the Day of Resurrection! How can he be saved who has so many disputants? And your openly allowing musical instruments and wind instruments is an innovation in Islam. I was thinking of sending someone to you who would cut off your evil long hair."'
 
English reference
: Vol. 5, Book 2, Hadith 4140
Arabic reference
: Book 39, Hadith 4152
 
Music and songs takes away the rememberence of Allah as the tune and the songs linger in the mind.
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:



,I would love to invite Muslims to listen to Christian music sometime.  Get to know the Christian better.  Check out what they see in Christians, and not just what they see in the culture of the countries in which Christians live.  Christians do not force the country to conform to their ways.  They exist within, and in spite of, the culture. My days are filled with Christian music which keeps my mind focused on God and not on worldly things... not on self.  This feeling closer to God lifts me up.~ More like falling in love, than something to believe in More like losing my heart, than giving my allegiance Caught up, called out, Come take a look at me now Deeper and deeper, it was love that made me a believer, in more than a name, a faith, a creed ~~give me an undivided heart, that I may bring You glory ~~one faith, one love, one God ~But I also do not wish to be a 'brother who causes another to stumble'... so if you in any way feel that this would lead you away from your God, then by all means I do not urge it.  But for the purpose of opening the mind towards who God's people are(and I believe they are all of us), I think it would be beneficial.David was a "man after God's own heart"... and it was David who sang the Psalms for God.  If you read the Psalms you see that we are exhorted to sing glory to God.Blessings.Salaam,[IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" />


Caringheart,
you said "Christians do not force the country to conform to their ways"
You need to read some history brother. Read what the crusades were all about. Also read history of the Catholic Church, how it was involve in power grab that spanned continents and centuries after the reconquest of Spain. Also read about what were the reasons people from Europe were fleeing to the Americas, should I mention religious persecution by the Church.

As far as how you remember God and how music plays a role in your life, that is your way to get to God just like people of different religions have different ways to bring God in their daily lives.

As far as a Muslim, like myself, praise of God is in every act and every thought. You be surprised to know that every act in the right direction is started in the name of God.
Five times a day when a Muslim present him/herself in Salath to God Almighty, he/she recite the beautiful suras
by memory in a balanced beautiful recitation that are not just music to the ear, but give life to the soul, thus a person following their five Salath is with a soul that is happy and alive all day.
Islam creates a balance in a person's life through which he/she achieves success in this world and same times secures his/her space in Paradise.

God tell us through the Quran that the comforts of this life are temporary, but the comforts of the hereafter are forever. And that's what should be our goal, if we want to be successful in the hereafter.

Have you ever listened to word of God recited in the language it was revealed? try this link, this recitation if very beautiful and here is its meanings.
Al-Fatiha (The Opening)

1:1 (Asad) In the name of God, The Most Gracious, The Dispenser of Grace: [1]
1:2 (Asad) All praise is due to God alone, the Sustainer of all the worlds, [2]
1:3 (Asad) The Most Gracious, the Dispenser of Grace,

1:4 (Asad) Lord of the Day of Judgment.

1:5 (Asad) Thee alone do we worship; and unto Thee alone do we turn for aid.

1:6 (Asad) Guide us the straight way.

1:7 (Asad) The way of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, [3] not of those who have been condemned [by Thee], nor of those who go astray! [4]

Please paste this in you browser and listen:

http://www.mp3quran.net/newMedia.php?id=1&file=http://server8.mp3quran.net/afs/001.mp3

Hasan


Greetings Hasan,
I figured you were resting for Ramadan since I've written a few replies to you that you had not responded to, but now I see that they have not been posted on the forum.  Unhappy

My view on the crusades...
The crusades was about the Romans... specifically a Roman ruler named Constantinople who found Christianity(became a Christian) and decided to wave the banner of Christianity in his battles with the world... not the other way around.   It was not the cause of Christianity to conquer the world.  That was the cause of a Roman ruler, and rulers.
But the main thing here is we are talking about history.  It was, and is, history.
No Christian establishment is telling any country today that its people have to live a certain way.
I am dealing with the present day Christian.  When you view any secular country where Christians live, you are seeing the culture, not Christianity.  Christians are only living within the culture.

I am glad to hear that your soul is 'alive and happy all day'. Smile

I agree the Surah you shared reads like a song... just as the Psalms.
I actually had tried to ask in a new post what the words of this Surah mean.
I will be glad to listen to the link you shared when I can get to another computer.
Thanks for sharing.
Smile Heart
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Edited by Caringheart - 30 July 2012 at 6:51pm
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:



,I would love to invite Muslims to listen to Christian music sometime.� Get to know the Christian better.� Check out what they see in Christians, and not just what they see in the culture of the countries in which Christians live.� Christians do not force the country to conform to their ways.� They exist within, and in spite of, the culture. My days are filled with Christian music which keeps my mind focused on God and not on worldly things... not on self.� This feeling closer to God lifts me up.~ More like falling in love, than something to believe in More like losing my heart, than giving my allegiance Caught up, called out, Come take a look at me now Deeper and deeper, it was love that made me a believer, in more than a name, a faith, a creed ~~give me an undivided heart, that I may bring You glory ~~one faith, one love, one God ~But I also do not wish to be a 'brother who causes another to stumble'... so if you in any way feel that this would lead you away from your God, then by all means I do not urge it.� But for the purpose of opening the mind towards who God's people are(and I believe they are all of us), I think it would be beneficial.David was a "man after God's own heart"... and it was David who sang the Psalms for God.� If you read the Psalms you see that we are exhorted to sing glory to God.Blessings.Salaam,[IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" />


Caringheart,
you said "Christians do not force the country to conform to their ways"
You need to read some history brother. Read what the crusades were all about. Also read history of the Catholic Church, how it was involve in power grab that spanned continents and centuries after the reconquest of Spain. Also read about what were the reasons people from Europe were fleeing to the Americas, should I mention religious persecution by the Church.

As far as how you remember God and how music plays a role in your life, that is your way to get to God just like people of different religions have different ways to bring God in their daily lives.

As far as a Muslim, like myself, praise of God is in every act and every thought. You be surprised to know that every act in the right direction is started in the name of God.
Five times a day when a Muslim present him/herself in Salath to God Almighty, he/she recite the beautiful suras
by memory in a balanced beautiful recitation that are not just music to the ear, but give life to the soul, thus a person following their five Salath is with a soul that is happy and alive all day.
Islam creates a balance in a person's life through which he/she achieves success in this world and same times secures his/her space in Paradise.

God tell us through the Quran that the comforts of this life are temporary, but the comforts of the hereafter are forever. And that's what should be our goal, if we want to be successful in the hereafter.

Have you ever listened to word of God recited in the language it was revealed? try this link, this recitation is very beautiful and here is its meanings.
Al-Fatiha (The Opening)

1:1 (Asad) In the name of God, The Most Gracious, The Dispenser of Grace: [1]
1:2 (Asad) All praise is due to God alone, the Sustainer of all the worlds, [2]
1:3 (Asad) The Most Gracious, the Dispenser of Grace,

1:4 (Asad) Lord of the Day of Judgment.

1:5 (Asad) Thee alone do we worship; and unto Thee alone do we turn for aid.

1:6 (Asad) Guide us the straight way.

1:7 (Asad) The way of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, [3] not of those who have been condemned [by Thee], nor of those who go astray! [4]

Please paste this in you browser and listen:

http://www.mp3quran.net/newMedia.php?id=1&file=http://server8.mp3quran.net/afs/001.mp3

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 31 July 2012 at 2:51am
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

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Be thou my vision
~  Be thou my vision, O Lord of my heart,
    Be all else but naught to me, save that thou art;
    Be thou my best thought in the day and the night,
    Both waking and sleeping, thy presence my light.

    Be thou my wisdom, be thou my true word,
    Be thou ever with me, and I with thee Lord;
    Be thou my great Father, and I thy true son;
    Be thou in me dwelling, and I with thee one.

    Be thou my breastplate, my sword for the fight;
    Be thou my whole armour, be thou my true might;
    Be thou my soul's shelter, be thou my strong tower:
    O raise thou me heavenward, great Power of my power.

    Riches I heed not, nor man's empty praise:
    Be thou mine inheritance now and always;
    Be thou and thou only the first in my heart;
    O Sovereign of Heaven, my treasure thou art.

    High King of Heaven, thou Heaven's bright sun,
    O grant me its joys after victory is won!;
    Great heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
    Still be my vision, O Ruler of all. ~
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,I would love to invite Muslims to listen to Christian music sometime.  Get to know the Christian better.  Check out what they see in Christians, and not just what they see in the culture of the countries in which Christians live.  Christians do not force the country to conform to their ways.  They exist within, and in spite of, the culture.
My days are filled with Christian music which keeps my mind focused on God and not on worldly things... not on self.  This feeling closer to God lifts me up.

~ More like falling in love, than something to believe in
More like losing my heart, than giving my allegiance
Caught up, called out, Come take a look at me now
Deeper and deeper, it was love that made me a believer, in more than a name, a faith, a creed ~

~give me an undivided heart, that I may bring You glory ~
~one faith, one love, one God ~

But I also do not wish to be a 'brother who causes another to stumble'... so if you in any way feel that this would lead you away from your God, then by all means I do not urge it.  But for the purpose of opening the mind towards who God's people are(and I believe they are all of us), I think it would be beneficial.

David was a "man after God's own heart"... and it was David who sang the Psalms for God.  If you read the Psalms you see that we are exhorted to sing glory to God.
Blessings.
Salaam,
Heart


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Originally posted by Matt Browne Matt Browne wrote:

I found this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_music#Nasheed

"Nasheeds are moral, religious songs sung in various melodies by some Muslims of today without any musical instruments. This type of singing of moral songs without instrumentation is considered as permissible by many Muslims."
Jazakallahu khair. Please read the following article from Islamqa on nasheeds.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/91142/nasheed



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