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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chrysalis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 March 2012 at 5:12am
Originally posted by asheque asheque wrote:

You said two Categories of Haram.But is it included in Al Qur'an?


The categories of Haraam are not stated in Qur'an. Scholars have used these categories to help explain concepts and make things easier.

Also, not everything is mentioned in the Qur'an... which is why we needed Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) to explain and show things to us.

Like Abuayisha pointed out, how do you know how many rak'at to pray during namaaz/ salaah ?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote asheque Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2012 at 9:52pm
We can find a base from Qur'an about it.But why
we want to vase when Islam is a compleate code
from Allah.There is every type of example in Qur'an.But i
couldn't find any specific issues in Al Qur'an.So
why people says that Music is forbidden in Islam?
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You said two Categories of Haram.But is it included in Al Qur'an?
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Originally posted by aka2x2 aka2x2 wrote:

Quran does not say music is Haram (forbidden), and it does say that only Allah (SWT) may make something Haram.


Co-incidentally I was reading something similar by Yahya Adel Ibrahim today. Seems relevant, hence posting. From his post one can gather that Authentic Sunnah is also used to derive rulings for what is Haraam and what is not (not just Qur'an).... but ofcourse the ahadith need to be very sound.

Hope that helps inshAllah. [Source: Yahya Adel Ibrahim's Facebook Page]




What is Haraam


Lets Study Fiqh - Islamic jurisprudence
Part 12
By Yahya Adel Ibrahim
What is Haraam? 

Haraam

Very simply, Haraam is what Allah orders us to abstain from or leave off at all costs, save our lives. Hence, by its very definition participating in anything Haraam entails a promise of a Divinely ordained punishment as outlined in the Quran and/or through the words and actions of the Prophet sala Allahu Alihi as an instruction from Allah through the Messenger. Equally, if it is left off then a person is reward, as Allah wills.

Prohibition (Nahy) is the opposite of command (you will remember that we said in Fiqh things can be defined by their opposites). It is a demand to avoid doing something which the Legislator ALLAH forbids. 

The Two Categories of Haram

The first level of haraam is termed �Haram Li Dhatih,� and is known to always be haraam on its own. Meaning it cannot be made halal in any way. For example, drinking alcohol or eating swine, murder,
fornication�any of the major and minor sins. 
Haram li-dhatih which is forbidden for its own sake due to an inherit quality that is destructive to the individual or social fabric of society.

Can a haram li Dhatih ever be made halal? 

Yes, when it becomes a necessity. If, for example, someone is stranded on an island where swine is the only food available (no berries or fruits, etc.) and if it is a matter of life or death, then it becomes permissible for a person to consume the swine flesh.

The second level of haraam is termed as �Haram Li ghayrih� and this is when an action that is normally halal becomes haraam because of certain conditions. Haram li Ghayrih (which is forbidden for an external reason such as, marrying a woman only to make her legal for another man (tahlil). 
Therefore it is halal action (Marriage) that was made haraam by something else (intending it so that divorce will occur soon after and the former husband can marry her again). As such, how one leads up to an action and the intent behind it will decide whether or not it is accepted.

How do we know if something is haraam?

Haram (also known as Mahzoor) is an unequivocal order from Allah the lawgiver to abandon something completely or during under specific conditions or circumstances. 
The level of proof required to establish the prohibition is the same as the level required for a Fard (as explained by early Hanafi Ulama) and of Wajib (as explained by the majority Ulama of Usul).

The texual evidence for Haram may occur in various forms such as :

a) It may start with "Hurrimat alaykum 

"Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience..."
[Quran - 5:3]. 
b) It may be conveyed in negative terms such as "la taqtulu" (do not kill), "la takulu (do not eat or take). 

And do not consume one another's wealth unjustly or send it [in bribery] to the rulers in order that [they might aid] you [to] consume a portion of the wealth of the people in sin, while you know [it is unlawful].
[2:188].
c) It may be in the form of a command to avoid 

"O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful."
(Quran - 5:90, to avoid wine-drinking and gambling).

d) It may be stated that it is not permissible (La yahilla lakum, Quran - 4:19)

"O you who have believed, it is not lawful for you to inherit women by compulsion. And do not make difficulties for them in order to take [back] part of what you gave them unless they commit a clear immorality. And live with them in kindness. For if you dislike them - perhaps you dislike a thing and Allah makes therein much good."

e) Prohibition may be proved by declaring a punishment for a particular action (Numerous examples in the Quran - Zina, theft, murder...) 


Nahy does not necessarily mean something is COMPLETELY FORBIDDIN. There are three forms of Nahy:

1- Tahrim (total prohibition) 

2- Irshaad (Moral guidance) 

3-Taadib (reprimand)

Nevertheless, Nahy primarily implies Tahrim, if there is no other indication to think otherwise.

Prohibition requires immediate and repeated compliance, whenever the prohibition is applicable. If the prohibition is conditional, it will be applicable where the condition is present only.

More to follow insha Allah as to where do we get Haraam judgments on things NOT specifically mentioned in the Quran and Authentic Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammed sala Allahu alihi wasSalaam.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abuayisha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 March 2012 at 6:03am

Allah guide you.

Allah the Exalted said: �And establish the prayer�. What is the number of rakats (that should be made)? And what are the prayer times? Also Allah said: �And pay the zakat�. What is the nisaab? And how much should be paid in zakat?

 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aka2x2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2012 at 9:08pm
"If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger,"
I AGREE 100%... I wish the Prophet was here among us to guide us all...
Unfortunately, the Prophet  was a man who passed away 1400 years ago. Allah (SWT) did not say refer your issues to Sahih Bokhari, Sahih Muslim, or any other collection of (alleged) Prophet Mohammad's sayings that were recorded after his death. According to one of these Hadiths, he explicitly prohibited recording his words...(A Sahih Hadith that you can look up). So why did Allah make so many things Haram in the Quran and left music and many other thing out?... The only logical answer is that He left them open because they are not not Haram... The collection of Hadiths should be studied like any other historical documents that are not devine and may have human error...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote afnanjitu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2012 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by aka2x2 aka2x2 wrote:

Quran does not say music is Haram (forbidden), and it does say that only Allah (SWT) may make something Haram.

Brother i am also curious about this topic.
There are many forbidden things we do.But which in not
included is made forbidden by the Fatwabaj Mullah.Why
they can not obey the Qur'an the one and only book?
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Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger�s duty to proclaim (the Message) in the clearest manner. (5: 92).

O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: that is best, and most suitable for final determination. (4: 59).

Say: �Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance.(24: 54).

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