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Peace,
 
The command related to how to establish prayers is found in sunnah, not in Qur�an. The sunnah contains �How�, �When�, �Who� of the directive.  

Islam is a way of life. So, we needed the Messenger to explain to us every aspect of our lives.

 
From your post it is very clear that your messenger now is not the Quran but the Hadith and Sunnah.I am very curious to know if the Hadith explains all the 114 chapters in the Quran.As fas as i know,the hadith barely explains(i doubt that :D) half the Quran.What about the rest????  Who is going to explain the rest??
 
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Everyone,
 
Please discuss one point at a time, being as specific as possible. Furthermore, please keep in mind the rule:
 

4. When discussing issues dealing with Islam, please support your comments with the Quran or Sunnah. Mocking any Quranic reference, Hadith, scholar, or member will not be tolerated. If you are stating something about a religion, please list your source. If it is an opinion, please state this fact.

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harris 30432,
 
(I have slightly edited my last post here, the verse was 57:7 and not 57:5: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16275&PN=5)
 

"Believe in Allah and His apostle, and spend (in charity) out of the (substance) whereof He has made you heirs. For, those of you who believe and spend (in charity),- for them is a great Reward." Qur'an 57:7

�O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the apostle, and make not vain your deeds!�

Qur�an 47:33

 

 "�And We have sent down unto you (O Muhammad) the Reminder, that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought." Qur�an 16: 44

 

"�(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination." Qur�an 4: 59

 

"Whoever obeys the Messenger, has obeyed Allaah." Qur�an 4: 80

 

As can be seen, the verse clearly says Allah and apostle. If the Qur�an is only what Allah wanted, why was the need for the Messenger to spend 23 years to explain it? Why wasn�t it delivered just in one shot?

 You should be a role model to deliver a divine message. I give you a simple example. If you want to learn driving and just read a manual, can you learn it without any instructor�s help? And if some are really exceptional to do so, most people are not, they need to learn driving by the help of an instructor.  

Now talking about the divine matters, much more important compared to the simple example given earlier, there has to be someone to explain the Qur�an. That is why there was a Messenger to do so. The Messenger was the role model. He explained everything by practically showing it to the people so that they could believe, or at least there would be no valid reason for the disbelievers not to believe. For it would be a different thing to reject the message out of arrogance. Basically, the hadith and sunnah are the interpretations of the Qur�an.

Here is an example:

�And establish the prayers and give Zakaah (the obligatory charity) and bow with those who bow [in worship and obedience].�

Qur�an 2:43

The command related to how to establish prayers is found in sunnah, not in Qur�an. The sunnah contains �How�, �When�, �Who� of the directive.  

Islam is a way of life. So, we needed the Messenger to explain to us every aspect of our lives.  
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Dear FOH,

Of what should I worry? Worry is negative. It is better to be positive and try to do the best each day. Allah knows
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Originally posted by martha martha wrote:


I do not worry what Allah will ask of me.
 
OK dear, be careful of this sentence. You are a Muslim and you must worry.
 
  And yeah I did not tell you to reject Quraan, I just told you that you need the hadith as well to be a Muslim. You need to beieve in everything came from prophet Muhammed peace be upon him.
 
  Did you read my post above?
 
 We all need more knowledge cause this knowledge is the weapon that we fights the false with it. Without knowledge, we will be affected by anyone.
  Alhamdulillah, You can be perfect in Quraan and perfect in Hadith as well. I know you can do it..
 
 Peace.
 Allah Hafiz..
 
 
 BUT you know what dear sister,

   ....I never saw anyone say: OK, I do not know. Let me ask.
   People talk from their own minds and opinions more than going back to Qura'an and Hadith. I see religion and people say,, Oh I like this and I do not like that. While the signs of TRUE believers that they just say: ACCEPTED.
 
   I saw sooooo many many arguments between Muslims and non-Muslims and NO ONE, said ok I believe, OK you are right... which is hopeless.Cry Non-Muslims are helped by the shytan always to answer even if it is nonsense.
 May Allah forgive me and all Muslims here and guide the lost into the truth.
 


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And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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Walaikum assalam,

Dear sister, you are so kind to be concerned. I did read Haris' posts..and is why I wanted to reply.
I do not worry what Allah will ask of me. I do not seek anything other than the Qur'an. For 6 years I have been confused as to why scholars are so different. For me they are not necessary. God's word through HIs messengers only is enough for me. And Haris has helped solidify my thoughts on this.

Bless you sister for your love.

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 بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
اللهم صلي على نبينا محمد و على آله و صحبه و سلم

  
 
 Please sister Martha, I know you very well and have so much respect to you.. Please do not reply without having enough knowledge about the post and the author, otherwise Allah will ask you about EVERYTHING. this man  Haris REFUSES the whole Hadith and Sunna. Please read his other posts.
  I replied to him, just to make sure that everyone here is aware of this BIDA'A (false belief).

  Now, I am glad that I did my job of telling people here that this idea of rejecting Hadith is not in Islam at all. NO ONE can say he is a Muslim while he rejects the half of Islam. I do not have enough time for more. I pray that Allah guides the lost.
 


Edited by Full of Hopes - 06 February 2010 at 1:21pm
And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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Salams all,

This is very interesting.
And I have to say I agree with Haris.
Muhammed (pbuh) was a messenger. He had the authority from Allah, as did all prophets from Adam, to spread the truth. No other human being after Muhammed has that authority. So hadiths and sunnahs are, as far as I am concerned, only words of man, not Allah. This is the big difference between Muhammed(pbuh) and scholars etc.

It is not necessary to know what Muhammed's life was like at all. This was not his purpose. We know very little, other than through scriptures, what any of the prophets were like. As messengers it is not necessary. THe fact that they are messengers of Allah is sufficient for us to accept that they are chosen men of Allah. If we cannot accept them on this alone then we show we have little faith in Allah, and that we doubt His word.

TBH any muslim who needs to rely on a hadith spoken of by many conflicting sources shows that they do not trust the Qur'an is perfect and complete. Again I say, Islam does not need to contain a biography of the Prophet(pbuh) THe Qur'an is enough...and I have often said so.

Well done Brother Haris. I commend you for your openness on these matters discussed here.

So sorry FOH, Haris, Uri and myself do not feel we need to repent on the grounds that we follow all messengers, and Allah's word before Muhammed and ending with him when the Qur'an was revealed. We are not being mislead. We follow the Qur'an... it is all that Allah needs us to do.

(scholars are not chosen to be messengers. They are just human like you and me, and they all vary on their ideas.)

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 To you two brothers, I advise by  the name of Allah and then the name of prophet Muhhamed peace  be upon him and the name of the truth.. and the name of brotherhood to repent to Allah/God and be back to His way.. Stop obeying your nafs and Shaytan, cause he will leave you alone on that day and say, keep away from me, I just told you something and you believed me:

14.22  And Satan will say when the matter is decided: "It was God Who gave you a  promise of Truth: I too promised, but I failed in my promise to you. I had no authority  over you except to call you but ye listened to me: then reproach not  me, but reproach  your own souls. I cannot listen to your cries, nor can ye listen to mine. I    reject your  former act in associating me with God. For wrong-doers there must be  a grievous  penalty."

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 6.153  Verily, this is My way, leading straight: follow it: follow not (other)

paths:  they will scatter you about from His (great) path: thus doth He command you. that ye  may be righteous.

 

 Believe me,, it is so easy for us to be mislead if we are away from Allah and his prophet's peace be upon him way..  Just keep asking Allah every prayer to guide you into the truth and keep you on it.

 



Edited by Full of Hopes - 06 February 2010 at 8:49am
And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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