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Originally posted by Moses Moses wrote:

Originally posted by Shibboleth Shibboleth wrote:

 .......... Let us repeat a verse from the Qur�an. But now we will discuss it from a different angle. �After those prophets We sent forth Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Torah already revealed, and gave him the Gospel, in which there is guidance and light, corroborating that which was revealed before it in the Torah, a guide and an admonition to the righteous. Therefore let the followers of the Gospel judge in accordance with what Allah has revealed therein. Evil-doers are those that do not base their judgements on Allah�s revelations.��Sura 5, Al-Ma�ida [The Table], verses 46, 47.  (The Qur'an also accepts Jesus as the son of God,just as it does Adam)

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For a believer to Quran, these are clear, and they do not argue about these verses because they can not stand against the words of God. Each of them knows well that for response to your claim needs to explain the words of God in human way, but they afraid of anger of God. Then they will attack to u, by other tools. But obviously all of their efforts are against the Quran! And this is truly �corruption�! Not in word of God, but in mind of human! but still God love them and let them to continue.....

If not...., then from now , they will explain to you the Tafsir and explanation of these verses of Quran, not more!! because most of them are truly believers in God.
 
 
 
Dear Moses,
Shibbo has misquoted the verse and you followed his trap, sorry, but let me correct you and him, and guide you to the truth.
Please read, here is the correct translation:
5:46 (Y. Ali) And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah."
 
The key word is وَمُصَدِّقًا  which is best tarnslated as confirmation.
 
Take care,
Hasan 


Edited by honeto - 04 September 2009 at 4:43pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

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Originally posted by Akhe Abdullah Akhe Abdullah wrote:

Salams,Moses and welcome to the forum I see that you already made yourself at home.You say and it seems that you are like a mediator for now:Then they will attack to u, by other tools. But obviously all of their efforts are against the Quran!Well most of us don't feel that we have to defend the truth wich we believe the Qur'an is.Some Christians come here on an Islamic Forum with fake intentions on learning and like all falsehoods they are exposed.
thanks, yes I made myself at home!
you do not feel that have to defend the truth, because you do not believe that you know the truth.
believers defends the truth of God, not thoes things that concerned to human thoughts. you have accepted human thoughts and follow them, because do not believe in the power of God , for talking with your heart directly. you can not come to the verses of Quran and explain them, because you feel alone without your leaders, if i made a mistake , made my mind clear please by explanation about the words of Quran at the first post, that u believe them.
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Salams,Moses and welcome to the forum I see that you already made yourself at home.You say and it seems that you are like a mediator for now:Then they will attack to u, by other tools. But obviously all of their efforts are against the Quran!Well most of us don't feel that we have to defend the truth wich we believe the Qur'an is.Some Christians come here on an Islamic Forum with fake intentions on learning and like all falsehoods they are exposed.

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Originally posted by Shibboleth Shibboleth wrote:

 .......... Let us repeat a verse from the Qur�an. But now we will discuss it from a different angle. �After those prophets We sent forth Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Torah already revealed, and gave him the Gospel, in which there is guidance and light, corroborating that which was revealed before it in the Torah, a guide and an admonition to the righteous. Therefore let the followers of the Gospel judge in accordance with what Allah has revealed therein. Evil-doers are those that do not base their judgements on Allah�s revelations.��Sura 5, Al-Ma�ida [The Table], verses 46, 47.  (The Qur'an also accepts Jesus as the son of God,just as it does Adam)

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For a believer to Quran, these are clear, and they do not argue about these verses because they can not stand against the words of God. Each of them knows well that for response to your claim needs to explain the words of God in human way, but they afraid of anger of God. Then they will attack to u, by other tools. But obviously all of their efforts are against the Quran! And this is truly �corruption�! Not in word of God, but in mind of human! but still God love them and let them to continue.....

If not...., then from now , they will explain to you the Tafsir and explanation of these verses of Quran, not more!! because most of them are truly believers in God.


Edited by Moses - 03 September 2009 at 8:16am
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Originally posted by Mansoor_ali Mansoor_ali wrote:

 
 Only 1 verse of Quran is enough to prove that Bible is corrupt.
 
 004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
 Here is another explicit verse speaking of Bible corruption, the Quran states that if anyone believes that Jesus died and was crucified they then follow nothing but CONJECTURE which is corruption. Which book today tells us that Jesus died and was crucified? The Bible, so hence the Quran here does call the Bible corrupt. So it can't get anymore clear than that.

See the previous verses to know "We" refers to somebody, Bible did not say "they killed Jesus�, Bible explain that this was a prepared plan that has to be done, a plan from the first, for salvation. Not a simple Murderer story, as they believed that "they" killed him. But at present, you are not looking in these verses as a love message, you plan to use of them as tool for your own religious! Don`t you?!

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Originally posted by Nazarene Nazarene wrote:

Originally posted by Natassia Natassia wrote:

Unfortunately, because the Quran contradicts the Bible, the Bible must be "corrupt."

 
(I won't get into the logical fallacies required to justify that belief.)
salaams
and what of Paul?   Jesus reafirms the law and states in Matthew 5:18
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
 
but Paul nullifies the law when he states
Galatians 3:11
Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."
also
Galatians 3:23
Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
 
Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Galatians 2:16
know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

So how do you think jesus {p} would think of paul making the law dissapear?

leland

 

Have you ever try to understand several side of a shape? Do u know, each side hiding the other, because this is one thing, and you will not find the truth if you don�t try for understanding all of sides.

All of prophets are agree to each other, people are fighting to each other for them!

Law is not against the love, and love is not disappearing the law. They are one program in righteousness, for salvation. Do you need that?

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Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:


I think that the Bible itself is sufficient proof that it is corrupt.

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I had never read the Quran, nor knew anything about�Islam,�when I started having serious doubts about Christianity. It was my search for the truth that brought me to read the Quran, not the other way round.

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Salams I felt the same and when I first read the Qur'an and came across the Ayat that said we were all born in a state of Al Islam and our parents made us Jews and Christians I knew that it was Haqq,because it spoke to me and had me wanting to hear more.I knew that I was lead to Al Islam (Al Hamduillah) and not like Christianity(leaving out the religion of the first Prophets(As) which is so very clear) we were forced fed that so to say.I took a long look at history and who runs things(whose telling his-story)we were all getting told what they wanted us to know and not what we should know(Muhammad S.A.W the seal of the Prophets).Even the bible says somewhere seek and ye shall find.I did and I found The Deen of Al Haqq(Al Hamduillah!)

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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Is the Bible Still the Word of God?
 
Even thou I use verses to support some of my writings, i don't think so because there are so many versions (KJV, NKJV, NIV, catholic one to just name a few) that its impossible at times to choose which one to buy, some have verses that others don't and then some have verses differently worded.
It drives me insane its one book that is hard to buy Wink unfortunately Cry 
And then there is the old age of me saying that there is evidence of words being rubbed out of the oldest bibles and replaced.
 
 
Hi Angel,
If we believe that God's word needs to stay pure and in its original form unaltered, and that the word of God proves as such when it is in 100% agreement within itself, a prime quality of divine messege. You and I know so far that in the case of the Bible's its not so. Thus, it cannot qualify as the word of God in its present condition. Since it is not authentic, it cannot be relied upon as the information it gives out cannot be trusted. We can read it as a book, but in my opinion cannot rely on what it says. I hope you understand what I am trying to convey. By saying this in no way I intend to defame, degrade anything or anybody, just plain truthful honest conclusion backed by facts, and its not the end of the road neither.
 
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

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