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That should have said the best reward is paradise.

halfalife  Good example, I understand in that case - is that in the Quran, hadith or just your example?

 
 
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Originally posted by Chrysalis Chrysalis wrote:

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Please, minuteman, just answer the question: Is my grandmother in heaven or hell?
 
Like we Muslims like to say Ron, 'Walla hu alam' i.e. Only Allah knows.
(What do I have to do to get a straight answer from you guys???)
 
Okay, let me rephrase:  Would someone like my grandmother, a devout Christian who believes in the divinity of Jesus, be in heaven or hell?
 
Hmmm, I dont know how to make it any straighter, Ron. As unbelievable as it may sound, Human biengs do not have any knowledge of the unseen, and cannot predict the future, nor the fate or anyone.  
Like it or not, such are the limitations of bieng mortal. Any human post-prophetic times, who who claims knowledge about the future/fate is loony.
 
No muslim, can tell you where your grandmother , or someone like her will end up. God only knows. Hopefully we'll all get the answer to our Question on the day of judgement. Until then, there is nothing we can do.
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Just to clarify - the very beadt reward is paradise.  Are any other levels of reward mentioned in the Quran?
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 The belief in the divinity of Jesus was an extra deed she was doing, an extra load she was carrying. The heavens or hell is not decided on just one thing. She was a christian. I hope she was a good person, believing in God and doing good deeds, if she was not carryng a hachet against Islam, she may be forgiven the other faults.
 
 When Quran says there is a reward for the believing doing good persons, it says there is a reward. But there are many stages of the rewards. It is written in the Quran that there is a great reward for some other deeds, much greater, (Ajr an Azeema). Be sure, in Islam hell is not for ever.
 
 So your grand, if she has done some good work, she will come out of hell quite soon. Don, it is a sin of the highest order to associate any one with God. You people call every one a born sinner. But you do not know about the real sin. That is association of creatures with God. It is written that all sins may be forgiven but the sin of Shirk will not be forgiven.
 
 The Quranic message has come for all the people. The message has been passed to the christians too. If they continue on their old way an do not pick a fight with Islam then they may be forgiven for ignoring the most important command (even most important by the Jewish ten Commandments). So do not worry about others. You think about yourself. Are you honestly doing what is required by your religion?
 
 Are you a peaceful person? Are you always ready to downpaly the teachings of Islam? You know better what you are doing. You will be dealt with accordingly. We are not God Almighty. We cannot decide. But we can tell what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is bad. The real good high grade reward cannot be achieved without belief in Muhammad.
 
 According to Islam, the denial of even one messenger of God (whoever he may be) is a great sin.


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Originally posted by Chrysalis Chrysalis wrote:

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Please, minuteman, just answer the question: Is my grandmother in heaven or hell?
 
Like we Muslims like to say Ron, 'Walla hu alam' i.e. Only Allah knows.
(What do I have to do to get a straight answer from you guys???)
 
Okay, let me rephrase:  Would someone like my grandmother, a devout Christian who believes in the divinity of Jesus, be in heaven or hell?
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   All prophets are good example of that but the prophet Joseph son of Jacob is the one mentioned in the Quran. Read verses 21-28 of chapter 12 please. There was a very rich lady, wife of a very senior Egyptian officer calling Joseph to the bedside.
 
 Quran 12:24,, She went for him and he would have gone for her had he not seen the manifest sign of his Lord....
 
 
[12:21] And the man from Egypt who bought him said to his wife, 'Make his stay among us honourable. Maybe we will benefit from him or we may adopt him as a son.' And thus did We establish Joseph in the land, and We did so that We might also teach him the interpretation of things. And Allah has full power over His decree, but most men know not.
[12:22] And when he attained his age of full strength, We granted him judgment and knowledge. And thus do We reward those who do good.
[12:23] And she, in whose house he was, sought to seduce him against his will. And she bolted the doors, and said, 'Now come.' He said, 'I seek refuge with Allah. He is my Lord. He has made my stay with you honourable. Verily, the wrongdoers never prosper.'
[12:24] And she made up her mind with regard to him, to seduce him, and he made up his mind with regard to her, to resist her. If he had not seen manifest Sign of his Lord, he could not have shown such determination. Thus did it come about that We might turn away from him all evil and indecency. Surely, he was one of Our chosen servants.
[12:25] And they both raced to the door, and in the struggle she tore his shirt from behind, and they found her lord at the door. She said to him, 'What shall be the punishment of one who intended evil to thy wife, save imprisonment or a grievous chastisement?'
[12:26] Joseph said, 'She it was who sought to seduce me against my will.' And a witness of her household bore witness saying, 'If his shirt is torn from the front, then she has spoken the truth and he is a liar;
[12:27] 'But if his shirt is torn from behind, then she has lied and he is of the truthful'.
[12:28] So when he saw his shirt torn from behind, he said, Surely, this is a device of you women. Your device is indeed mighty;


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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

I'm not sure I get this- the virgins are only for those that don't commit the sin of fornication?  I have never heard that.

 
Let me explain, you are a young man standing before a fine blond/brunette (who might be drunk of her trunk and) ready to receive... how hard can it get?
the promise of virgins/women in the hereafter sure would help  if you are a true believer who has a hard time not to fall for the sin of the flesh(lol) and is debating wether to go for  "the quick fix" or not.
 
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I'm not sure I get this- the virgins are only for those that don't commit the sin of fornication?  I have never heard that.
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