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Ron Webb
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No, they don't prey on females. As I said, their passion is redirected in other, more sinister ways. Need I remind you that fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists were Saudi? Are you aware that most of the suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudi?
No, the reality is that there are about one percent more men than women globally, as I just showed you. Even in advanced countries such as the U.S., the reality is that there are more men than women of marriageable age, as I've also already shown.
There are indeed more elderly women than men, but I fail to see how that is pertinent. If men want to take on octogenarians as additional wives, then that would be fine -- but somehow I doubt that is what they have in mind. |
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Hayfa
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Well considering in Muslim countries and some places in Africa polygamy is allowed and no one can claim it is "rampant" nd so widespead it causes unrest. For instance, no unrest in Saudi Arabia due to roving bands of males looking and preying on females.. somehow places have worked it out.. They have some that do, some that don't..
And really, it is that you must be able to support more than one.. so.. not sure HOW it could be rampant...and a detriment...
in fact, would it not besaid it would help if the rich supported more people anyways?? They can afford it...
And you you are saying that we should not have it at all, what should be done for all those unmarried women if they want to marry? You have yet to answer that.. that is one main reason it is allowed, no matter the birth rations, the realty is that there are more adult women then men.. not the other way around. And if they must be married to have "relations" and such well???
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Ron Webb
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My fault for pointing you to a misleading Web page. Yes, most countries do have slightly more women than men -- except for India and China, and that's a mighty big "except". Those are the two most populace countries in the world. Together they represent more than a third of the world's population. Wikipedia quotes the 2001 World Almanac as saying that there are 101.3 men for every 100 women. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women In fact, the ratio at birth is more like 105 men for 100 women (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_ratio), and that ratio continues for young men and women into their twenties, when most marriages take place. The ratio doesn't flip in favour of women until the mid-thirties or so. You can see a graph for the United States that makes this clear here: http://nationalatlas.gov/articles/people/a_gender.html Anyway, there's no point in quibbling over a few percentage points either way. Widespread polygamy would soon overwhelm such minor differences, leaving a substantial number of men with no possibility of marriage. That is a recipe for social unrest.
Well, if you're asking me, I would agree that you should be able to marry whoever you want, but that's only because I am a libertarian when if comes to matters of sexuality and family life. It just seems rather incongruous to me that a Muslim should argue for personal choice here, to the detriment of society as a whole. I strongly doubt that you would say the same about same-sex marriage, or group sex, or extramarital sex, etc. Edited by Ron Webb - 22 May 2008 at 6:37pm |
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Ron, I go to citydata.com a lot to play where I am going to go next. Each time randomly I go a place, I get delighted, more women. I haven't come accross a single place here in the US search that brought different results.
Just for this post, I went to three cities, and here is my delight. No, but I am a married man, and I know my limits.
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Hayfa
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Well your statisitcs show most places have more women then men.. except for countries in war or India ot China.. go look at it again! Here in US women outnumber men.. (never mind those in prison, a whole added issue)
And really why not? Why should I not have he choice?? Men are dominant in 99% of soceities. Men are physically stronger, why should I not marry who I want?
These women out causing trouble, I bet, also have kids, they sleep around, there IS no commitment. Why should I marry one of those???
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Ron Webb
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Sorry, Hayfa, but that's just not true. Overall, men outnumber women slightly. You're right that women outlive men by several years, but men outnumber women by about 5% at birth. At the age when most people get married the difference is not significant. If you want country--by-country stats, you can look here: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/indwm/tab1a.htm
(Well, there go my illusions about women marrying for love. ) To answer your question: He shouldn't, because he would be leaving some other man unmarried. Some things money can't buy; and even if it can, it shouldn't. The opportunity to be married and have a family is one of those things. And if egalitarianism doesn't move you, consider the theory, which I think has some credibility, that a surplus of unmarried men is a major cause of social unrest and potential violence. Having a wife and kids quite literally gives a man something to live for. Without it, he will redirect his passion in other ways, which may be unhealthy both for himself and for his society. |
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Hayfa
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It is interesting that having no polygamy is viewed as "progressive" when it can be argued that it is a detrement to women to not have choice.
For instance, there are far more women then men out there. (except in China and one or two areas of India). Women are more likely to be in poverty and stay in poverty if unmarried. If there are not enough men, who should women marry (assuming they'd like to marry)?
Men earn more then women, that is the case and you can create all the laws you want, but the reality is that they do. And why not, if a man is wealthy enough, should he not have more than one wife?
Anf if you ask many women would you want 50% of a good man or 100% of a bad one they'll take the first. It actually raised the options for women.
Islam is a very basic religion in which part of the component is taking care of people. People should be provided for and the fact that there are more women then men forces women to not get married if they want to, or forces them into arrangements that may be detremental.
And on top of it, women live longer than men, should she go without the comforts of a partner? 1 woman-1 man is not practical. And Islam is about practicality.
if there were not secualr laws to deal with, a single woman could marry any man (Muslim of course) and why not pick one with a proven track record of being a good husband and father?
And honestly, it can seem like a "great thing" for the guy but let me tell you, it is not easy. Knowing people in these situations, hard trying to please two women.. lol
Islam is about rights and protecting those rights. I as a woman have the right to get married and all the benefits of marriage. And this provides me with far more optionsthen if I can only marry those not attached.
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