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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2007 at 6:00pm
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Saudi Arabia: Rape Victim Punished for Speaking Out

Court Doubles Sentence for Victim, Bans Her Lawyer From the Case

(New York, November 17, 2007) � A court in Saudi Arabia doubled its sentence of lashings for a rape victim who had spoken out in public about her case and her efforts to seek justice, Human Rights Watch said today. The court also harassed her lawyer, banning him from the case and confiscating his professional license.

An official at the General Court of Qatif, which handed down the sentence on November 14, said the court had increased the woman�s sentence because of �her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media.� The court sentenced the rape victim to six months in prison and 200 lashes, more than double its October 2006 sentence after its earlier verdict was reviewed by Saudi Arabia�s highest court, the Supreme Council of the Judiciary.  
 
Human Rights Watch called on King Abdullah to immediately void the verdict and drop all charges against the rape victim and to order the court to end its harassment of her lawyer.  
 
�A courageous young woman faces lashing and prison for speaking out about her efforts to find justice,� said Farida Deif, researcher in the women�s rights division of Human Rights Watch. �This verdict not only sends victims of sexual violence the message that they should not press charges, but in effect offers protection and impunity to the perpetrators.�  
 
The young woman, who is married, said she had met with a male acquaintance who had promised to give her back an old photograph of herself. After she met her acquaintance in his car in Qatif, a gang of seven men then attacked and raped both of them, multiple times. Despite the prosecution�s requests for the maximum penalty for the rapists, the Qatif court sentenced four of them to between one and five years in prison and between 80 and 1,000 lashes. They were convicted of kidnapping, apparently because prosecutors could not prove rape. The judges reportedly ignored evidence from a mobile phone video in which the attackers recorded the assault.  
 
Moreover, the court in October 2006 also sentenced both the woman and man who had been raped to 90 lashes each for what it termed �illegal mingling.� Human Rights Watch is particularly concerned that the criminalization of any contact between unmarried individuals of the opposite sex in Saudi Arabia severely impedes the ability of rape victims to seek justice. A court may view a woman�s charge of rape as an admission of extramarital sexual relations (or �illegal mingling�) unless she can prove, by strict evidentiary standards, that this contact was legal and the intercourse was nonconsensual.  
 
In an interview in December, the rape victim described to Human Rights Watch her treatment in court:  
     
    �At the first session, [the judges] said to me, �what kind of relationship did you have with this individual? Why did you leave the house? Do you know these men?� They asked me to describe the situation. They used to yell at me. They were insulting. The judge refused to allow my husband in the room with me. One judge told me I was a liar because I didn�t remember the dates well. They kept saying, �Why did you leave the house? Why didn�t you tell your husband [where you were going]?��  
 
�Victims of sexual violence in Saudi Arabia face enormous obstacles in the criminal justice system,� said Deif. �Their interrogations and court hearings are more likely to compound the trauma of the original assault than provide justice.�  
 
During the recent hearings, Judge al-Muhanna of the Qatif court also banned the woman�s lawyer, Abd al-Rahman al-Lahim, from the courtroom and from any future representations of her, without apparent reason. He also confiscated his lawyer�s identification card, which the Ministry of Justice issues. Al-Lahim faces a disciplinary hearing at the Ministry of Justice on December 5, where sanctions can include suspension for three years and disbarment.  
 
Al-Lahim, who is Saudi Arabia�s best-known human rights lawyer, earlier this year had planned to take legal action against the Ministry of Justice for failing to provide him with a copy of the verdict against his client so that he could prepare an appeal. Despite numerous representations to the court and the ministry, he was not given a copy of the case file or the verdict.  
 
�The decision to ban the rape victim�s lawyer from the case shows what little respect Saudi authorities have for the legal profession or the law in general,� said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch.  
 
On October 3, King Abdullah announced a judicial reform, promising new specialized courts and training for judges and lawyers. There is currently no rule of law in Saudi Arabia, which does not have a written penal code. Judges do not follow procedural rules and issue arbitrary sentences that vary widely. Often, judges do not provide written verdicts, even in death penalty cases. Judges sometimes deny individuals their right to legal representation. In May 2006, a judge in Jeddah had thrown a lawyer out of his courtroom in a civil suit on the sole basis that he is of the Isma�ili faith, a branch of Shiism. Trials remain closed to the public.  



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This does not seem Islamic at all...In the case of condemning someone to lashes according to Quranic Dictate, Where are the 3 to 4 witnesses? It is sad to see the keeper of the Holy Places give such an example to the world. But again there are things we do not know it was a closed hearing, But Allah subanallah wa'taala sees all, and if there is a grave misjustice here, they will have to answer for it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2007 at 8:50am

Salaams,

Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

In case you havent read the news carefully


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That night, she said, she had left home to retrieve her picture from a male high school student she used to know. She had just been married � but had not moved in with her husband � and did not want her picture to remain with the student.

While the woman was in the car with the student, she said, two men intercepted them, got into the vehicle and drove the couple to a secluded area where the two were separated. She said she was raped by seven men, three of whom also allegedly raped her friend.


Apparently she was raped along with her boyfriend; why isn't anyone creating a fuss about her boyfriend?

Saudis defend punishment for rape victim

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The Saudi judiciary on Tuesday defended a court verdict that sentenced a 19-year-old victim of a gang rape to six months in jail and 200 lashes because she was with an unrelated male when they were attacked.

The Shiite Muslim woman had initially been sentenced to 90 lashes after being convicted of violating Saudi Arabia's rigid Islamic law requiring segregation of the sexes.

But in considering her appeal of the verdict, the Saudi General Court increased the punishment. It also roughly doubled prison sentences for the seven men convicted of raping the woman, Saudi news media said last week.

The reports triggered an international outcry over the Saudis punishing the victim of a terrible crime.

But the Ministry of Justice stood by the verdict Tuesday, saying that "charges were proven" against the woman for having been in a car with a man who was not her relative.

The ministry implied the victim's sentence was increased because she spoke out to the press. "For whoever has an objection on verdicts issued, the system allows an appeal without resorting to the media," said the statement, which was carried on the official Saudi Press Agency.

The attack occurred in 2006. The victim says she was in a car with a male student she used to know trying to retrieve a picture of her. She says two men got into the car and drove them to a secluded area where she was raped by seven men. Her friend also was assaulted.

Justice in Saudi Arabia is administered by a system of religious courts according to the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islamic law.

Judges have wide discretion in punishing criminals, rules of evidence are vague and sometimes no defense lawyer is present. The result, critics say, are sentences left to the whim of judges. A rapist, for instance, could receive anywhere from a light sentence to death.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack avoided directly criticizing the Saudi judiciary over the case, but said the verdict "causes a fair degree of surprise and astonishment."

"It is within the power of the Saudi government to take a look at the verdict and change it," McCormack said.

Canada's minister for women's issues, Jose Verger, has called the sentence "barbaric."

The New York-based Human Rights Watch said the verdict "not only sends victims of sexual violence the message that they should not press charges, but in effect offers protection and impunity to the perpetrators

Salaamu Alaykum,

Yes, of course, what happened to him is important and needs to be punished. 

But the most imporant and salient comment is in red.  This action "offers protection and impunity" to the perpetrators.

We have heard many, many stories, and I have heard a few stories from people I personally know, and I conclude easily without a doubt that the Saudi Kingdom doesn't regard protection of its women and men nearly as important as punishment and humiliation.  They have clearly said:  Rape our women and men if you catch them involved in the slightest impropriety.

May Allah, The Protector, protect and care for these rape victims.  Ameen.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2007 at 8:17am
In case you havent read the news carefully

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That night, she said, she had left home to retrieve her picture from a male high school student she used to know. She had just been married � but had not moved in with her husband � and did not want her picture to remain with the student.

While the woman was in the car with the student, she said, two men intercepted them, got into the vehicle and drove the couple to a secluded area where the two were separated. She said she was raped by seven men, three of whom also allegedly raped her friend.


Apparently she was raped along with her boyfriend; why isn't anyone creating a fuss about her boyfriend?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2007 at 6:39am

Women are treated poorly all over the world!

Truthseeker.. I agree.. I think what makes it more diffcilut is that the woman is officially by the laws of the society as well. If someone is raped in many other countries they re not given punishment.. guess it is just shocking.. and its rare.. so its news... the experiences of thosands of women here are so common its not news.

people are such a mess!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2007 at 6:37am
truth,

I complain about the female infanticides too.  I hate all systems that hurt women.  Even those in the US.  What's horrible about this one is her punishment was increased because she dared question the initial ruling?

I seem to remember the Quran having a prescribed punishment...its like 80 lashes.  So where is the 200 coming from....

I'll tell you...its not about what's Islamic.  The Islamic thing wasn't done here. 

This isn't an Issue of shariah, this is an issue of men who have their women cowed and try to hide behind the concept that its religious duty to keep them that way.

I have no illusion that what I see in Saudi Arabia is anyway shape or form what the Prophet (pbuh) intended when he gave women their rights back and protections.

The Prophet (pbuh) was a staunch defender of women, he may have chastised this girl for being so foolish to have been in the situation, but he would have never had her beaten for simply trying to get something the man shouldn't have had in the first place.

I am sick of watching women around the world victimized and then blamed for the incidents. 

In the US, rape happens.  Why don't you hear international outcry?  Because you don't see the women being taken into a public market and beaten for speaking up.  The crime here is the silence of so many victims and the stigma that people put on victims. 

There is outcry...the difference is there is also paths of justice, both for the victim and the accused.  Israfil can tell you, cops are taught how they should approach both victim and accused.

Also, you really can't compare country to country.  Rapes and such are in the news all the time here.  So they are common enough people get desensitized to it.  In foreign countries like Saudi Arabia that do not have free speech, sometimes these things become sensational because they aren't talked about so often.  The buzz gets picked up.

I posted a horrid article here not to long ago about the forced abortions going on in China.  Its about getting the stories out of the closed countries.  That's what makes them news worthy in a cynical society like the west.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2007 at 4:30am

Salam and hi,

I am a busy Muslim mother and a silent reader here most of the time.

It would be better to talk to Saudi Government officials or concerned authorities on this matter.

Any injustice against women or anyone anywhere should be strongly condemned.

But, why has focusing on only Saudi women become a norm?

In India, hundreds of thousands of female infanticides take place each year, but you don�t see that in the headlines. In many countries such as France, more than 25000 women are raped every year, you don�t see the headlines about that either. In USA, hundreds of thousands of women are raped each year, no cries are heard across the globe. Wrong is wrong no matter where it happens. But, I am amazed at the enormous disparity of attention. Whenever anything pertains to Saudi women or Muslim women where Muslim men are supposedly criminals, it becomes a world news, but elsewhere Muslim and non-Muslim women are being tortured and raped by non-Muslims and that goes unnoticed.

I am amazed at the enormous disparity of attention. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 November 2007 at 9:05am

The sad part is, this is nothing.  I read about a case in Pakistan where an old woman was raped by numerous police officers.  A few days earlier she had refused to rent an apartment she had to one of them.  So they came, arrested her, then took her to the police station where she was raped by numerous police officers for hours(she was a grandmother and a widow).  Later they even sodomized her.  They also stole her wedding Gold while she was there.  Then the court had the nerve to sentence her to prison for zina and of course, did nothing to the officers. 

My source for this comes from a book called Price of Honor by Jan Goodwin.  You would be suprised how many books are out there about this subject.  It really makes me sad, but you have to remember to look at the good too or I swear these things will make you depressed.

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