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...Then every nation in the world must have some references of books or scrolls from One hundred and twenty four thousand Prophets all over the world in their posession. 

No. There are differences between the term 'prophet' and the term 'messenger'.

The well-known difference between a Prophet and a Messenger is that a Messenger is one to whom a law is revealed and he is commanded to convey it, whilst a Prophet is one to whom a law is revealed but he is not commanded to convey it. But this distinction is not free of problems, because a Prophet is also commanded to call people, convey the Message and judge among the people. Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The correct view is that the Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will, judged for the Jews”

[al-Maa’idah 5:44]

So the Prophets of the Children of Israel judged by the Tawraat which Allaah had revealed to Moosa.

 With regard to the aayah,

“but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (end) of the Prophets” [al-Ahzaab 33:40]

and why it did not say the last of the Messengers – the end of the Message does not mean the end of Prophethood, but the end of Prophethood does mean the end of the Message. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be no Prophet after me,” and he did not say, there will be no Messenger after me. 

Thus we know that there is no Messenger and no Prophet after him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); he was the last of the Prophets and of the Messengers, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).  







One hundred and twenty four thousand.
One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.” 
 “Allah sent eight thousand Prophets, four thousand to the Children of Israel and four thousand to the rest of mankind.” 
So what is the difference a Prophet is not messenger and a messenger is not a Prophet but all was send by God.
Your explanation is not plausible.
A messenger is a postman.
A prophet is ordained by the direct calling of God that was send for the jews only to punish them for their sins.
From the time of Moses there were Priest from the Levite tribe of Isreal who also was in direct contact with God.

The priests served as the mediators between God and the people. They are the ones who took the people's sacrifices and offered them up to God (Leviticus 4:20, 26, 31; Hebrews 8:4). The High Priest, in particular, represented the whole nation of Israel before God (Exodus 28:12; Hebrews 5:1). When a priest sinned, he brought guilt not only upon himself, but also upon the whole people (Leviticus 4:3).

The priests also interceded on behalf of the people before God (Leviticus 9:22-24; Numbers 6:22-27). And they would inquire of God for the nation (Exodus 28:30).

Okay then what must we called  Preist 

You came out with topic and I want a answer where is the evidence of all that hundred and twenty for thousand Prophets that Muhammad asumed Allah had send all over the world cause there is no historical fact that can lay claim for the slightest evidence to proof that.
You haven't answered my question to this:

(Numbers 23:19 God is not human,...)

Answer:
Yes that's right.
Then, is Jesus a human or a son of God ?


God is not a human must I repeat myself.

What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.

Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation!

If Allah was the true God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.

Who exactly is Allah praying to? Is he praying to himself?

If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on him too?

Since Muhammed is the one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the hands of Muhammad.

If Allah and the Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?


(God is not a human must I repeat myself.)

Answer:
If God is not human, why did Jesus become God's child ?

The following analogy is an afterthought for those who are good at using brains:
Humans are certainly human children, no calves, and chicks cannot be goats.
So how about Jesus ?

(What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.)

Answer:
My God is one, He doesn't have children and not be born. He is the one who created this universe both macro and micro, both visible and invisible.
He is the Most Holy of all that His creatures can weaken.

Jews should worship only one God like the Prophet Moses and the others.

The Arabs call the name of the God, Allah, because it's the language of the Arabs, while the Jews call the God, Elloh, Elloha, Ellia, because that language is used by the Jews.

But from all of these, the important one is refer to something with the same meaning, for example there are people who mention the name Ibrahim, Abraham, Ebrahim, and that is for the same person.

In this case, the important understanding of God is the same that God doesn't have children and not born. He is the one who created this universe both macro and micro, both visible and invisible.

(Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation!)

Answer:
In Nahwu's knowledge that what is meant by "Shallu" in the verse does not mean worshiping the Prophet Muhammad, but paying homage to him because besides he has noble character he also becomes an Apostle whose duty is to invite humanity back to the Tawheed Religion as conveyed by the previous Apostles.

(If Allah was the true God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.)

(Who exactly is Allah praying to? Is he praying to himself?)

(If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on him too?)

Answer:
The answer is the same with the above.

(Since Muhammed is the one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the hands of Muhammad.)

(If Allah and the Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?)

Answer:
Giving respect to the Prophet Muhammad is not the same as worshiping Allah where there is standing, prostration etc.
Giving respect to the Prophet Muhammad is like the Angels greeting to people who go to heaven (no need to bow down etc.)



Allah is not the Jehovah of the Old Testament. In fact, Allah is a version of the Moon-god, a pagan god in Arabia who was worshipped during pre-Islamic times. And that is why the Crescent moon is the symbol of Islam, and the month-long Ramadan fasting begins and ends with the crescent moon.

The evidence of this can be found in the extensive archeological digs in the Middle East over the last 100 years. A temple of the Moon-god was excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. The examples of moon worship which he found can now be seen in the British Museum. In the 1950s, a temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the Moon-god were found. Each was a statue of a man seated on a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest.

 

Also in the 1950s, archeologists excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib. Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat, are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.

The oldest name of the Moon-God was Sin, of Sumerian origin. Hence, Sinai, or the wilderness of Sin. While the Arabs worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Mood-god was the chief deity. The Moon-god was also called Il or Ilah, which eventually became Allah.

So Muhammad caught you all with a long slack belt with all his lies and deceptions. 
The words of: "Allah" is used by Arabs, the "Jehovah" is used by Jews, "Kamisama" is used by Japanese people, etc. All have the same meaning. So it is impossible for Arabs to call their God "Jehovah" or "Kamisama" etc.

If you hate the Prophet Muhammad by saying a liar, it's up to you.
But you must remember that one day you will die (you believe that), and you will know who the Prophet Muhammad is.
(A regret will no longer be useful at that time.)

Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?

This was fabricated lie Muhammad to rejection of Christians by muslims so fake evry Arab into his false religion which is anyway useless Muhammad knew he faked his religeon to decieve the Arabs for his support to make money.

Who told him Jesus wasn't crucified Allah no its Muhammad he did that so that they must follow Muhammad if he said Jesus was crucified then he would lost all his support from the Arabs.
 

Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?

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Quote Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?

Or they could both be wrong.
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Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Quote Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?

Or they could both be wrong.
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.

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Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Quote Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?

Or they could both be wrong.
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.

 
Why would a prophet came before doomsday to tell all non muslims to convert to islam or else Allah will throw them into the hell.

Muhammad's version of the second coming of Isa.

Islamic literature seems to suggest that Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and confirm the truth of Islam. A much-quoted hadith, to which the Dabiq headline was alluding, says, “The Son of Mary will soon descend among you as a just ruler; he will break the cross and kill the swine.” The usual interpretation of this prophecy is that when Jesus comes back, he will put an end to his own worship, symbolized by the cross kill all the pigs, and re-establish the dietary laws that Christianity abandoned but Jews and Muslims still observe.

Also prominent in Muslims’ view of the end times is a battle between Jesus and the Antichrist, the Dajjal. According to Sahih al-Muslim, “The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-Amaq or in Dabiq.” After this battle with the Romans, the Antichrist will challenge Muslims and even have the upper hand against them until Allah sends Jesus back from heaven. Then “Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on [Jesus’s] lance” (Sahih al-Muslim 2897).

 

Beyond this point, Islamic eschatology begins to vary widely depending on one’s denomination. Many believe Jesus will fight alongside Muslims, who will be fighting Jews, and even the stones will cry out against Jews on that day. Muhammad said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’” (Sahih al-Bukhari 4.52.177).

What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.


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The message of the Quran, in brief, is that the real and just human life is only possible with belief in Allah,  the Day of Judgment and the correct implementation of the Quranic guidance. Otherwise, as we are experiencing now and know from the past history, it will be injustice, corruption and inhuman life that could be worse than the hell.
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Originally posted by saeedalyousuf saeedalyousuf wrote:

The message of the Quran, in brief, is that the real and just human life is only possible with belief in Allah,  the Day of Judgment and the correct implementation of the Quranic guidance. Otherwise, as we are experiencing now and know from the past history, it will be injustice, corruption and inhuman life that could be worse than the hell.
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OK, but is there any supporting evidence for that?
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Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Quote Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?

Or they could both be wrong.
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.

 
Why would a prophet came before doomsday to tell all non muslims to convert to islam or else Allah will throw them into the hell.

Muhammad's version of the second coming of Isa.

Islamic literature seems to suggest that Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and confirm the truth of Islam. A much-quoted hadith, to which the Dabiq headline was alluding, says, “The Son of Mary will soon descend among you as a just ruler; he will break the cross and kill the swine.” The usual interpretation of this prophecy is that when Jesus comes back, he will put an end to his own worship, symbolized by the cross kill all the pigs, and re-establish the dietary laws that Christianity abandoned but Jews and Muslims still observe.

Also prominent in Muslims’ view of the end times is a battle between Jesus and the Antichrist, the Dajjal. According to Sahih al-Muslim, “The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-Amaq or in Dabiq.” After this battle with the Romans, the Antichrist will challenge Muslims and even have the upper hand against them until Allah sends Jesus back from heaven. Then “Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on [Jesus’s] lance” (Sahih al-Muslim 2897).

 

Beyond this point, Islamic eschatology begins to vary widely depending on one’s denomination. Many believe Jesus will fight alongside Muslims, who will be fighting Jews, and even the stones will cry out against Jews on that day. Muhammad said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’” (Sahih al-Bukhari 4.52.177).

What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.


Jesus will be sent down to earth to invite humanity back to the religion of monotheism, namely worship and surrender only to one God who created them. 
Islam means "Surrender to one God"

You said:
(What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.)

Answer:
Allah is Willing.
Allah created hell, that is His will.


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Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Quote Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?

Or they could both be wrong.
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.

 
Why would a prophet came before doomsday to tell all non muslims to convert to islam or else Allah will throw them into the hell.

Muhammad's version of the second coming of Isa.

Islamic literature seems to suggest that Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and confirm the truth of Islam. A much-quoted hadith, to which the Dabiq headline was alluding, says, “The Son of Mary will soon descend among you as a just ruler; he will break the cross and kill the swine.” The usual interpretation of this prophecy is that when Jesus comes back, he will put an end to his own worship, symbolized by the cross kill all the pigs, and re-establish the dietary laws that Christianity abandoned but Jews and Muslims still observe.

Also prominent in Muslims’ view of the end times is a battle between Jesus and the Antichrist, the Dajjal. According to Sahih al-Muslim, “The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-Amaq or in Dabiq.” After this battle with the Romans, the Antichrist will challenge Muslims and even have the upper hand against them until Allah sends Jesus back from heaven. Then “Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on [Jesus’s] lance” (Sahih al-Muslim 2897).

 

Beyond this point, Islamic eschatology begins to vary widely depending on one’s denomination. Many believe Jesus will fight alongside Muslims, who will be fighting Jews, and even the stones will cry out against Jews on that day. Muhammad said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’” (Sahih al-Bukhari 4.52.177).

What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.


Jesus will be sent down to earth to invite humanity back to the religion of monotheism, namely worship and surrender only to one God who created them. 
Islam means "Surrender to one God"

You said:
(What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.)

Answer:
Allah is Willing.
Allah created hell, that is His will.


Jesus was not a muslim he is the Son of God.
He will not came to establised islam Muhammad already establised his own religeon why would Jesus come down to promote Muhammad's religeon.
What is the notion of breaking crosses and killing pigs and abolish jizya tax?

The Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw prophesied:

 

حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، حَدَّثَنَا الزُّهْرِيُّ، قَالَ �£َخْبَرَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ، سَمِعَ �£َبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ “‏ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى يَنْزِلَ فِيكُمُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ حَكَمًا مُقْسِطًا، فَيَكْسِرَ الصَّلِيبَ، وَيَقْتُلَ الْخِنْزِيرَ، وَيَضَعَ الْجِزْيَةَ، وَيَفِيضَ الْمَالُ حَتَّى لاَ يَقْبَلَهُ �£َحَدٌ ‏”‏‏.‏

 

Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Hadith #656)

 

The next sign of the Messiah of the Latter days which will be discussed is the killing of the swine. This is another metaphorical sign of the Messiah, and does not literally mean that the messiah would come to kill pigs. If 100 pigs are killed on one side of the world, thousands would be given birth on the other. No true Muslim can believe that the task of a prophet is to come and run around like a hunter to kill pigs, rather the task of a prophet is to guide the people towards Allah. How will the killing of pigs guide anyone to the truth? If one takes this to be literal, they should remember that such a killing would never end.

 

Allah States in the Qur’an  5:60

 

Say, ‘Shall I inform you of those whose reward with Allah is worse than that?They arethose whom Allah has cursed and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made apes and swine and who worship the Evil One. These indeed are in a worse plight, and farther astray from the right path(Chapter 5 Verse 61)

 

Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes. The prophecy of killing the swine is also in the same manner. The reason the Holy Prophetsaw said that the Messiah would kill the swine is becase the Messiah would have the duty of dealing with the people who would be like swines in their characteristics. It is also stated in the interprettion of dreams that one who kills a pig, inn reality means that he would argue with a evil minded person. In Ta’tirul Anam it is stted that a pig in a dream refers to a cruel and power enemy and many times is referred to the Jews and the Christians. We should remember that these prophecies were also dreams shown to the Holy Prophet, and therefore also have to be interpreted.

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