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Originally posted by blond blond wrote:

.....I have also seen people who display the images of others being called idolotors. I don't agree with this. 

However, I have seen images of Prophets being sold even in Mecca, and I am against that.

Could someone please speak to this issue?

Asslam-o-Aliakum

Here is a Fatwa� on this subject by - Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Canada

"Photography as a medium of communication or for the simple, innocent retention of memories without the taint of reverence/shirk does not fall under the category of forbidden Tasweer.

One finds a number of traditions from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, condemning people who make Tasweer, which denotes painting or carving images or statues. It was closely associated with paganism or shirk. People were in the habit of carving images and statues for the sake of worship. Islam, therefore, declared Tasweer forbidden because of its close association with shirk (association of partners with Allah). One of the stated principles of usul-u-Fiqh (Principles of Islamic Jurisprudence) is that if anything directly leads to haram, it is likewise haram. In other words, Tasweer was forbidden precisely for the reason that it was a means leading to shirk.

The function of photography today does not fall under the above category. Even some of the scholars who had been once vehemently opposed to photography under the pretext that it was a form of forbidden Tasweer have later changed their position on it - as they allow even for their own pictures to be taken and published in newspapers, for videotaping lectures and for presentations; whereas in the past, they would only allow it in exceptional cases such as passports, drivers� licenses, etc. The change in their view of photography is based on their assessment of the role of photography.

Having said this, one must add a word of caution: To take pictures of leaders and heroes and hang them on the walls may not belong to the same category of permission. This may give rise to a feeling of reverence and hero worship, which was precisely the main thrust of the prohibition of Tasweer. Therefore, one cannot make an unqualified statement to the effect that all photography is halal. It all depends on the use and function of it. If it is for educational purpose and has not been tainted with the motive of reverence and hero worship, there is nothing in the sources to prohibit it."

It is not considered haram (forbidden) to hang family pictures on the wall; however, I should urge you against hanging them on the wall directly facing you in Prayer. For by hanging them in the direction of Prayer, your thoughts will likely be distracted; furthermore, it may inadvertently give the impression that we worship pictures. It is important for us Muslims to make ourselves distinct in our religious practices from those who associate partners with Allah in their worship. So never hang such pictures in the direction of your Prayer.

Still another point to consider: Never hang pictures of leaders and heroes, past or present, on your walls, for it may inadvertently lead to feelings of extreme reverence and hero worship, and this in turn may become an avenue leading to shirk. Such things are considered as avenues leading to that which is haram, and hence considered as forbidden. It is worth remembering that this was the main rationale for prohibiting carving images and statues in the first place.

Since, however, such motives are entirely lacking in hanging family pictures, there is no reason to consider it as haram.

 

 

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Originally posted by Suleyman Suleyman wrote:

[QUOTE=blond] ....Blond,i did not put these pics as reflecting them the idols of mine;no they aren't...i love and respect them;but my only idol is Allah...two complaints on my pics makes me to delete them...this is the best,i think...

That's a very good thing you did brother. I do have pictures of Sayyid Maududi (ra) and Imam Khomeini (ra) in my private study room, but I would not display it as Avatar - though there is nothing wrong with that, but I would rather have some 'Islamic symbols' instead. Maybe, the Administrator could provide those.

One thing more - not criticism, but a suggestion - Allah (swt) is not an 'idol' - His Majestic is beyond human imagination - He is what He is.

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Originally posted by Suleyman Suleyman wrote:

Originally posted by blond blond wrote:

I have a question.

I have heard some Muslims call other Muslims kafirun, even after reading Ayat 4:94

"O you who believe, when you go forth (to fight) in Allah�s way, make investigation, and say not to any one who offers you salutation, Thou art not a believer, seeking the good of this world�s life. But with Allah there are abundant gains. You too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; so make investigation. Surely Allah is ever Aware of what you do."

I have also seen people who display the images of others being called idolotors. I don't agree with this. 

However, I have seen images of Prophets being sold even in Mecca, and I am against that.

Could someone please speak to this issue?

 Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

 Blond,i did not put these pics as reflecting them the idols of mine;no they aren't...i love and respect them;but my only idol is Allah...two complaints on my pics makes me to delete them...this is the best,i think...

No Sir! Please don't take offense to my questions.

Please, don't feel inclined to take down the people who you respect on my account. I don't think you are wrong to honor the people who taught you. I was just wondering what you all think about the kind of  standard I mentioned, that is all.

I apologize to you for offending you.



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Originally posted by blond blond wrote:

I have a question.

I have heard some Muslims call other Muslims kafirun, even after reading Ayat 4:94

"O you who believe, when you go forth (to fight) in Allah�s way, make investigation, and say not to any one who offers you salutation, Thou art not a believer, seeking the good of this world�s life. But with Allah there are abundant gains. You too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; so make investigation. Surely Allah is ever Aware of what you do."

I have also seen people who display the images of others being called idolotors. I don't agree with this. 

However, I have seen images of Prophets being sold even in Mecca, and I am against that.

Could someone please speak to this issue?

 Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

 Blond,i did not put these pics as reflecting them the idols of mine;no they aren't...i love and respect them;but my only idol is Allah...two complaints on my pics makes me to delete them...this is the best,i think...

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I have a question.

I have heard some Muslims call other Muslims kafirun, even after reading Ayat 4:94

"O you who believe, when you go forth (to fight) in Allah�s way, make investigation, and say not to any one who offers you salutation, Thou art not a believer, seeking the good of this world�s life. But with Allah there are abundant gains. You too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; so make investigation. Surely Allah is ever Aware of what you do."

I have also seen people who display the images of others being called idolotors. I don't agree with this. 

However, I have seen images of Prophets being sold even in Mecca, and I am against that.

Could someone please speak to this issue?

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Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

 We are going got discuss the issue at the weekend,till to that time i suggest from you staying in calm and not loosing the peace tune....think about that...all of the users in the thread are caring to islam and doing their bests;no bad person inside of us...evil loves these issues to destroy the peace between the muslims as we have seen in the past...let's give all our hands to each other finding the truth;at least understanding each other;politeness is the door of understanding to each other..we are all loving Allah and caring to Qur'an;no chance to evil and Qur'an is not an chaos book...let's meet at the weekend,everybody will be relaxed and cool then we will deeply discuss....i call everyone to discuss,to put their efforts after a dua to Allah for the finding the best in with all good intentions and concerns inside the science of shariat...



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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rehman ir rahim,

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah wa barkatuhu,

Brother Rami,

I remember reading a detailed description of the 73 sects in Islam from "Al Ghuniya liTalibi Tariq'al Haqq"... it was made online by sunnah.org. I cannot find it thru their search anymore, but it answers manythings that you would want to say on this topic.

I am not so sure if i posted on the old forum, but surely if you do a thorough search, you should be able to find it.

Maa salaama,

 

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Originally posted by rami rami wrote:

....Yes but it seems your understaning of the term sect in islam is not correct...

Hmmmmmm! That's your word against me. Who is going to decide?

Quote Sunni islam is not a sect in Islam , The mahdhabs which consist of roughly 90% of all sunni muslims can not be called a sect no matter how much "spin" you put on the term
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Wrong again. As I wrote earlier, Sunnis (if Salafis and Wahabbi allows you to count - Hannafi, Maliki, Sufis, Nakshbandis, Deobandis, etc. as Sunnis then they constitute 85% of Muslims out of 1.5 billion, according to Saudi 'World Muslim League'! And I am not even excluding the 25 million Qadianis either!

Quote The scholars of islam have all followed a madhhab even those the salafi's follow so unless you are not sunni i dont see from what angle you are making this point
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Which scholars, dear? Does your list also includes Imam Ja'afar Sadiq (ra), who happened to be teacher of Imam Abu Hannifa (ra) and Imam Malik (ra)?

As for 'my angle' is concerned - it goes straight to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), who never called himself a Sunni - or did he?

Quote Do you know what a madhhab is
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No, the 'Learned one' - but can you teach me?

Quote There is no such thing as a Ja'fariah madhhab from sunni point of view, Obviously you are shia then br?

I give a hoot what your point of view is - because I never live in 'self-denial'. As I noted above - both Maliki and Hannafi 'Fiqah' are influenced by 'Fiqah-e-Ja'afari'.

Thanks for avoiding to call me a 'Kafir'! Because, just being a 'Muslim' never satisfy the sectarians.

Quote Sufi's can be shia or sunni that is true, but a person can only understand how if he knows what Sufism/Tassawuf is. If you understand that then you know that calling sufis a sect is like saying anyone who practised Usul al fiqh belongs to a sect which is rediculous
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I could post a Salafi website to show how misinformed you're about sects - But then it would be just like advertising an Israeli website.

Any comments on that?

Wa Salaam.

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