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Originally posted by JOUBERAR JOUBERAR wrote:

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

Believer:

Here are the correct translation of these verses. The Word was Be, and Jesus was. This is explaining how Mary, a virgin, could be with child. Allah(SWT) said Be, and Jesus was.

Messiah can be a deliverer, such as the Jews were awaiting, or a leader and teacher, but Muslims do not call Jesus a messiah. He is a Prophet and an Apostle of God.

3:45 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

 The Jesus in the quran is in fact not the true Jesus as described in the bible the true Jesus was not born under a palm tree may be Muhammad did listen very good when the christians told him about Jesus he was born in a stable.
The problem is which one can be trusted more. For muslim,  quran is can not be wrong.
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Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

Believer:

Here are the correct translation of these verses. The Word was Be, and Jesus was. This is explaining how Mary, a virgin, could be with child. Allah(SWT) said Be, and Jesus was.

Messiah can be a deliverer, such as the Jews were awaiting, or a leader and teacher, but Muslims do not call Jesus a messiah. He is a Prophet and an Apostle of God.

3:45 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

 The Jesus in the quran is in fact not the true Jesus as described in the bible the true Jesus was not born under a palm tree may be Muhammad did listen very good when the christians told him about Jesus he was born in a stable.
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

If someone translate a book from a translation, the meaning may be lost due the different ideas of the translators.
 
When translating the Quran, translators need to understand the language of the Quran and using this as the basic or foundation for translating. If a person translate what Asad wrote or Sheikh Yusof Qardawi wrote, the meaning may be totally different from the originals.
 
People translate books into other languages using the original as their foundation.  But this is not true for the Bible.
 
How very true.  And this is the main reason why the Quran will endure.
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Not many Christians bring out this verse in the Old Testament [I Kings 10:14] to stipulate the meaning of the infamous "666" in Revelation/Apocalypse [13:18]. 
 
All seem to equate it with a form of numerology, rather than a hint to the 40-year old kingdom of Solomon.  Great in its time.  But extinct.  His empire was the most admired in the old world - the "power" and "wisdom" however great, DID NOT afford him his "kingdom" on earth. 
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Youdon't have as arguement there.  The Bible is about understanding, not just memorizing in a language that you may not understand. 

LOL!!  Putting the language in to something everyone can understand is the beauty of the Bible translations.
 
Most people that have the "The Everyday Bible" understand that it is just that an everyday common language Bible.  More translations mean a deeper understanding.
 
 
Each year Solomon received gold weighing 666 talents, not including revenues from merchants and traders and the Arabian kings and governors of the land.  This equals about 50,000 pounds of gold.  This would be about equal to the weight of ten golden Chevrolet Suburbans or heavy duty pickup trucks.  If gold is valued at $250 per troy ounce, this part of Solomon's yearly income had a value of $182 million. 
 
 
YOU know the equivalent is some "50,000" pounds - but not all are aware that it ORIGINALLY was written as "666" - - - a very pertinent number of a man which equates with the prophecies in REVELATION. 
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

I place my soul is in the Hands of my GOD not a mere man.
 
Good, that is exactly what as Muslims we do. And by the way you don't hand your soul, God has hold of our souls all the time whether one believe in Him or not.
 
And of course to make things clear,  for us God means God, where holy ghost and Jesus are not included with Him in godhead. They were God's creations and not themselves gods.
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Edited by honeto - 12 March 2009 at 1:10pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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"We also have the most important commandments mentioned by Jesus."
 
Yes: Mark 12:28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

 29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

 30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

 31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

 32And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

 33And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

"LOL!  Christians do have just one GOD.  Our perception of GOD is just a bit different."

So, when you pray for forgiveness are you praying to God the father or God the son?

�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
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What are you talking about?  The old Laws of GOD do matter, we have the 10 commandments.  We also have the most important commandments mentioned by Jesus.
 
What Muslims don't understand is that following Laws and rituals don't necessarily make you godly.  What is in your heart is what matters.
 
LOL!  Christians do have just one GOD.  Our perception of GOD is just a bit different.
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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