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Angela
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If the possibility of redemption is never known, then how will they
know its possible? Perhaps they will think themselves beyond
redemption. And we are assuming that they are in a sinful way
when they look to find faith.
At 17, I was very much an innocent and remained that way for several more years. When I began my spiritual journey, I didn't smoke, drink, go around with boys. I literally went from attending church every sunday and teaching Sunday school to wondering if there really was a God and what did he really teach. That man at the mosque treated us much like you treat western women. Had you met me that day, you would have looked at my skirt and assumed the worst, even though it came to below the knee. You would have been very wrong. You are very wrong about a great many girls. Your hateful words and actions will only turn away the girls that need God the most. Whether they are sinners or just lost spiritually they deserve the benefit of the doubt and encouragement to be better people. Not to be torn down by men who have no right, no clue and no appreciation for the tests and trials faced by them. I will tell you this, you ask how could anyone know more about a woman in hijab? Her community knows what kind of person she was. Her family, her friends, her coworkers. A revert doesn't wash away the past, she just washes away the sin of it. It does her no good to dwell on it, nor does it do her any good to forget. We learn from our mistakes, if we forget we ever made them, then we didn't learn our lesson. I never assume anything about a person by their dress or their faith. The local Imam here in Utah was removed from his position for abusing his wife, they have a new Imam now. Priests all over are sued for horrible crimes. Mothers send their sons off to become martyrs or drown them in bathtubs. Judging someone by their facade is the worst thing you can do. It might be that girl in the midrift shirt who one day walks into a mosque and asks for answers. It might be that prostitute who finally finds God and opens a soup kitched for the homeless. It might be that fine Muslim husband who beats his wife to death or cheats on her and brings her some disease from the prostitute he visited while on a business trip. Looks aren't everything... |
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crasss
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Look, I have no particular motivation to ask about anybody's past. I do seriously appreciate decent dress. Everything else, I don't know the details about, and to tell you the truth, I don't want to know.
Am I preventing them from dressing decently? My "hateful" words are not addressed at any individual in particular. If a woman recognizes herself in these "hateful" words, then I think it is better that she does not admit that. The purpose of these "hateful" words is not to extract confessions from anybody, but to point out that some people have enough of the rampant depravity.
Look, if this person publicly participated in orgies in her own neighbourhood, and she comes to regret that, she may have to move to another neighbourhood where people don't know about this. |
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Israfil
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Angela you really don't have to explain yourself.
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Altair
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The only problem I have with sexy girls is its harder for me not to look.
Haha but thats really my own fault. For some non-muslim women, its not obligatory in their religion to cover certain parts so how can you blame them if they don't? The reason they wear what they wear can be many. To look pretty, to feel comfortable, confident. Its only natural. I don't have to talk about the drawbacks of being too sexy when you go out as I'm sure the women experience it themselves from googly eyed men haha. In the case for muslim women. Its still true that we can't really judge the person by how they dress. We should judge the person as a person. So if the woman is a muslim, and she doesn't dress in an appropriate muslim woman attire then one can tell that she is either not a pious muslim, takes this obligation, think its ok. (those prostitutes in hijjab are something i cant understand) Definitely not an easy task to be a muslim woman/girl. I know a lot of muslim girls who dont always wear hijjab but some of them are in a sense "more conservative" in their language than some girls I know that wear hijjab. So we can't solely judge someone by how they dress..(not applicable to bar top dancers) |
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mariyah
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Assalaamu alaikum: Ever hear of the term, "its like beating a dead horse"? That is what it seems are doing with this subject. Seems we cant have one thread where you do not elaborate on "children born out of wedlock" Br Crasss, you have much knowledge on this subject but lack the wisdom as to when to drop it, or just let it die. For the sake of modesty, please drop it. As it states in the Holy Quran: "O you who believe! Let not some men amongst you laugh at others, it may be that the latter are better that the former, nor let some women laugh at others, :it may be that the latter are better than the former. Nor defame or be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by offensive nicknames, ill-seeming is a name connotting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed, and those who do not desist are (Indeed) doing wrong." Al-hurjurat (49:11) Thank you for your time. Wasalaam Edited by Maryah |
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"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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herjihad
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Bismillah and Salaams, Brother Aka -- is that a new name for the old Ak, or are you a new person? Anyway, what type of things do you think should be removed if any? I agree with Angela and also with a point that you made. When people make hateful posts, as long as the moderators or aware Islamicity members, throughly and clearly state and oppose that bigoted, racist, violent et cetera, point of view or harrangue, then it is useful for people to see that. But as Sister Angela and I and many others well know, tirades have gone on unbelievably long with no productive discussion other than members who don't have the power to stop the thread or temporarily ban the attackers watch with dismay. Maybe the solution is to have more moderators and a few less rules. Since the rules aren't being followed, and some like Aka here and if any of you remember Arabian Knight, really believe that they are too strict, then we could actually have a set of very basic rules that everyone could follow and more people would be available to implement them effectively and consistently. Thanks for your thought-provoking post, Sister Angela. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Israfil
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agree with Angela and also with a point that you made. When people make hateful posts, as long as the moderators or aware Islamicity members, throughly and clearly state and oppose that bigoted, racist, violent et cetera, point of view or harrangue, then it is useful for people to see that. I did't get this....... |
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herjihad
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Salaams, Brother, when people post wildly inappropriate stuff, rather than deleting it (unless it's porn or viciously attacking someone), when the members respond to it and label it for the noxious stuff that it is, people reading these posts will see that although some Muslims, and non-Muslim posters, are violent, agressive, xenophobic, mysogynistic et cetera, that we respond to them and deal with it. The problem has been that we, the loyal members don't have the power to stop people from posting such things and in every case that I have seen it takes the moderators weeks and even months to "get" to it. But at least the benefit that Ak was pointing out was people can see that most people oppose such bad behavior. Things are busy in the house. I may be repeating the same stuff as before and not making my point any clearer than the original post. Sorry. Kids are noisy, you know! Whew. Yeah. Can't concentrate. Gotta run. Salams. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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